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Any Lost Books of the Bible?
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Posted on 11/23/2005 7:17:03 AM PST by truthfinder9

Any Lost Books? By Gregory Koukl

Many bookstores carry titles in the religious section suggesting the discovery of lost books of the Bible. The Gospel of Thomas, unearthed in the Nag Hammadi library in Upper Egypt in 1945, serves as a well-known example of one such lost-and-found ancient manuscript. The idea that lost books of Scripture may exist excites some people and jars others. It certainly raises questions: “Have archaeologists uncovered ancient biblical texts that cast doubt on the current canon of Scripture?” “Is it possible that the Bible is incomplete?”

These questions can be answered without ever doing any research. No ancient tomes need to be read, no works of antiquity perused. Curiously, the entire issue can be answered by careful consideration of one word: Bible.

The whole question of allegedly lost books of the Bible hinges on what the word Bible means. When asked what the Bible is, a Christian would likely say, "The Bible is God's Word." Pressed for a more theologically precise definition, he or she might add that God superintended the writing of Scripture so that human authors, using their own style, personalities, and resources, wrote down word for word exactly what God intended them to write in the originals. This verbal plenary inspiration is a critical part of the Christian definition of the word Bible.

A common objection to the notion of inspiration is that the Bible was written by men, and men make mistakes. However, it does not logically follow that because humans were involved in the writing process, the Bible must necessarily be in error. Mistakes are possible, but not mandatory. To assume error in all human writing is also self-defeating. The humanly derived statement, "The Bible was written by men, and men make mistakes," would be suspect by the same standards. Human beings can and do produce writing with no errors.

Further, the challenge that men make mistakes ignores the main issue—whether or not the Bible was written only by men. The Christian accepts that humans are limited, but denies that man's limitations are significant in this case because inspiration implies that God's power supersedes man's liabilities.

So the first definition of the word Bible necessarily includes God's authorship (by inspiration) and supernatural preservation. The divine inspiration of the Bible automatically solves the problem of human involvement. Since God insures the results, it doesn't matter who did the writing. Supernaturally inspired by God, the Bible is both adequate and complete, 66 books compiled under one cover, preserved and protected by his power.

The second possible definition of Bible concedes no supernatural ground. According to this view, the Bible is not God's inspired and inerrant word. Rather, it is merely a statement of human beliefs adopted as creed by early Christian leaders.

This view says that while Christians treated the Scriptures as divinely inspired, they were mistaken. The Bible merely represents a consensus, a collection of books chosen by the early church to represent its own beliefs. A book that didn't make the cut was rejected for one reason: early Christians didn't accept its theology. The cause was human and political, not divine and supernatural. Christianity is no different from other religions that have collections of authoritative writings. Even individual professions identify certain books as official representations—“bibles”—of their respective fields.

So, the options are these: Either the Bible is divinely inspired, or it's merely a human document representing the beliefs of a religious group known as Christians. Given these two definitions, could any books of the Bible be lost?

Whether the supernatural claim is accurate or not, the first definition of Bible allows for no lost books becauseGod cannot lose something. The lost books thesis would be reduced to this: "Certain books that almighty God was responsible to preserve got lost." God cannot be both almighty and incapable at the same time. If the Bible is in fact the inspired Word of God (the first definition), then the almighty power of God himself guarantees that no portion of it could ever be lost.

Could there be lost books given the second definition? If the Scriptures were merely a product of human design, then the term Bible would refer not to the Word of God (the first definition) but to the canon of beliefs of the early church leaders (the second definition). The lost books thesis would be reduced to this: "Early church leaders rejected certain books as unrepresentative of their beliefs, that they actually believed reflected their beliefs." The contradiction is obvious. If the Bible is a collection of books that early church leaders decided would represent their point of view, then they have the final word on what is included. Any books they rejected were never part of their Bible to begin with, so, even by the second definition lost books of the Bible would be a misnomer.

"Lost books" advocates often point out that rediscovered texts were missing because the fathers suppressed them. Bible critics think this strengthens their case. Instead it destroys their position by proving that the "lost books" were not lost, but discarded. The early church acted fully within its authority when it rejected as noncanonical the Gospel of Thomas, for example, and other similar books. The leaders rightfully decided which writings represented their beliefs.

Another approach to Scripture is worth mentioning. Some academics, like those of the Jesus Seminar, reject the idea that the Bible has supernatural origins. Since the Bible is only man's opinion, the text can be amended to fix what is now considered defective or out of step with the times.

Such a reshuffling of the biblical deck—tossing out some books and including others to reflect what the church currently believes about spiritual truth—certainly creates an alternative view of Scripture. If the Jesus Seminar wants to include the Gospel of Thomas in its bible, it can do so. However, their action would not restore a lost book of the Bible, but merely redefine the canon to fit their tastes.

Has archaeology unearthed previously unknown ancient texts? Certainly. These books may be interesting, noteworthy, and valuable. The rediscovery of manuscripts such as the Gospel of Thomas is significant. Such books might be lost books of antiquity, great finds, even wonderful pieces of literature––but they are not lost books of the Bible.

Gregory Koukl, founder and president of Stand to Reason, hosts a radio talk show advocating clear-thinking Christianity and defending the Christian worldview. He is coauthor of Relativism—Feet Firmly Planted in Mid-Air (Baker).


TOPICS: Apologetics; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; lostbooks; theology
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To: servantboy777

I meant to say...Implicit in the thinking of those who claim that "lost" Gospels would change the deposit of faith, is the notion that God could be imperfect. (i.e. he did not perfectly communicate to man through the bible and tradition, thus man alone is tasked with piecing together all these gnostic fragments to discover what He really meant)


21 posted on 11/23/2005 6:12:06 PM PST by Antioch (Benedikt Gott Geschickt)
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To: nmh

So you're saying that His Nibs, the Big Boss Bad Guy hasn't done his best over the last 2,000 years to get weak, imperfect humans to do his bidding by rewriting the Bible?
If one were to take the most ancient versions of the accepted books of the Bible and have them translated by, say, a non-Christian but very expert Japanese linguist (i.e. someone with only a scholarly interest in the Bible and no preconcieved notions of what "should" be in it) would the result have any resemblance to what passes for the Bible today- especially such 'updated' editions as the "New International Version" (NIV) ?


22 posted on 11/23/2005 6:49:12 PM PST by Ostlandr ("Billions down the drain, and we ain't plugged it yet." - Federal Government motto)
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To: Ostlandr
You might want to have someone learned in Hebrew and Greek to do the translating ... NOT Japanese - LOL!!!!

Yes, a scholar who translates the original writings and knows the verbiage of the time WILL have the same translation. As words change in meaning for us, for example the word, gay ... so did words in those days have meanings that would vary. It's all about context and understanding those times. Unfortunately we have people with an ungodly agenda putting their beliefs in there in stead of the intended words, meaning and context.
23 posted on 11/23/2005 7:35:10 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: truthfinder9
So, the options are these: Either the Bible is divinely inspired, or it's merely a human document representing the beliefs of a religious group known as Christians. Given these two definitions, could any books of the Bible be lost?

Or the Bible is a recollection of the relationship between THE GOD and a small nation who came to realize over time that he was not a local god or just a god of their nation, but of all places and all nations.

24 posted on 11/23/2005 7:49:48 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: nmh; HarleyD

Had He wanted these "lost books" to be a part of the Bible - they would have been part of the Bible as we know it today.

They weren't lost to God. He knew where they were and made sure they stayed put.

So, what does that fact that they are not "lost" now mean? Interesting question.

25 posted on 11/23/2005 7:57:23 PM PST by SuzyQue
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To: SuzyQue

You said it best!

They're really not lost ... .


26 posted on 11/23/2005 8:48:15 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Antioch
ok, that makes a little more sense. However, it says at least two times that I know of in the bible that anyone adding to or taking away from these Holy Scriptures put themselves in jeopardy of God's judgment.

This would lead me to believe that God wanted the bible to be just as it is. Now, I think your speaking of the Apocrypha if I'm not mistaken. There are bunches of manuscripts that are worthy of reading, but they are not Holy Scripture as God breathed.

Someone more intelligent than I am could probably explain it better, this is my understanding.
27 posted on 11/24/2005 1:28:32 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: SuzyQue; nmh
The Church fathers, particularly Augustine and Jerome, closed the canons simply because it was becoming harder and harder to keep trace of the inspired writings. The early leaders had a set criteria of determining what was inspired. They at least knew what was inspired and what wasn't. Since the early fathers themselves forbid adding new writings to what they deemed inspired, this "lost" book simply doesn't qualify.

The trouble is for the Catholics they have lost the term what inspired writing is. The latest piece of paper that pops up in a clay jar and everyone is goggled eyed over it.
28 posted on 11/24/2005 3:48:01 AM PST by HarleyD (Joh 8:36 "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.)
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To: truthfinder9
Lost Books of the Bible? Why, I saw them for myself, at a small town in New York State:


29 posted on 11/24/2005 11:23:46 PM PST by John Locke
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To: truthfinder9; nmh; P-Marlowe; Corin Stormhands; blue-duncan
Any Lost Books of the Bible?

Why, yes...I lost two this morning myself. I feel bad about it. I had them in my pocket and was out shopping. I guess they just fell out.

Unfortunately, it was at Wal-Mart where they have only "Happy Holidays" and not "Merry Christmas." That means if a Wal-Mart clerk finds them they'll be just "Happy Writings."

I sure hope that doesn't change my theology.

30 posted on 11/25/2005 4:13:09 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins; truthfinder9; nmh; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan
I sure hope that doesn't change my theology.

If you were secure in your faith, you'd be shopping at Target.

31 posted on 11/26/2005 7:46:46 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (Yea, tho I walk thru the valley of lie'brals ~ (Nanowrimo word count 45,815))
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To: Corin Stormhands

Wal-Mart shopper Justified....

Just as if I'd

shopped at Target.


32 posted on 11/26/2005 7:50:19 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins; truthfinder9; nmh; Corin Stormhands; blue-duncan

There are several "lost" books of the Bible that you can't even find with a thumnb index. Nahum, Obadiah, Jude, Haggai. I'd be willing to bet that those who are so eager to find new books in the Bible have never read those.


33 posted on 11/28/2005 10:14:38 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe

I don't know about Jude.

Everybody knows "Hey, Jude."

(probably everybody over 47)


34 posted on 11/29/2005 4:46:59 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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