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To: annalex

"resurrected Christ, not incarnate Christ"

Are they not one in the same???


"our apparent insistence that incarnate Christ be denied His divine nature, which includes omnipresence"

Paul clearly teaches that Christ "emptied himself" in some way, to become a man...

"Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross."

When Christ became a man something changed - changed forever. Christ now has a human body - with nail peirced hands - something which he did not posess in eternity past. Does you theology not recognize that fact?


"I believe, Arianism, if I can keep my heretics straight."

Nope - that's not me. "The doctrines of Arius, denying that Jesus was of the same substance as God and holding instead that he was only the highest of created beings, viewed as heretical by most Christian churches."



"Is walking on water denial of the reality of the incarnation?"

Absolutely not.



140 posted on 11/22/2005 1:07:58 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus

"When Christ became a man something changed - changed forever. Christ now has a human body - with nail peirced hands - something which he did not posess in eternity past. Does you theology not recognize that fact?"

You betcha! Look at one of our beautiful Sacred Heart statues.


144 posted on 11/22/2005 1:10:36 PM PST by Nihil Obstat
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To: PetroniusMaximus
resurrected Christ, not incarnate Christ"

Are they not one in the same???

Yes, and no. Christ became incarnate in Mary's womb, forever joining His divine and human natures in the one person of Jesus.

His body at Incarnation was a human body not unlike ours.

After the Resurrection His body was Glorified, like our will be when we are likewise glorified.

So, no His post-Resurrection Glorified Body is not the same as His standard-issue human body.

Paul clearly teaches that Christ "emptied himself" in some way, to become a man...

Yes, He did. And then He rose from the dead and resumed His Glorified state.

When Christ became a man something changed - changed forever. Christ now has a human body - with nail peirced hands - something which he did not posess in eternity past. Does you theology not recognize that fact?

Yes, as I explained above. Our theology also recognizes that the Resurrection is a changing moment.

SD

152 posted on 11/22/2005 1:18:51 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: PetroniusMaximus

We have the reality of the Incarnation in certain tension with the reality of the Holy Trinity. The Incarnate Christ says in John 14:28 "the Father is greater than I". Yet, in the same chapter, "I am in the Father and the Father in me", which iasserts the Trinitarian unity of essence. It is heretical to conclude from that that the nature of the Eternal Trinity somehow changed with the incarnation, while it is possible and in fact necessary to distinguish between the divine and the human persons of Christ in reading the Scripture. I will research which christological error yours is later, if you are curious.

So, why exactly command over the created world such as walking on water or through walls is different than omnipresence?


161 posted on 11/22/2005 1:30:21 PM PST by annalex
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