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To: x5452
1. You refuse to answer the question? Do the Orthodox consider the first seven Councils as infallible??? Why is that so hard to answer? The reason, of course, is that you do not wish to show the contradictory stance of some in the Orthodox Church who CLAIM that Rome is in heresy - they claim that the Church is infallible, then, accuse the Church of being heretics? Explain how an infallible Church can be heretics... Your refusal to answer speaks volumes.

2. There is a difference between schism and heresy. We are in Schism. YOU (not the Orthodox Church) says the Latins are heretics. Before we continue in this conversation, perhaps you should reconsider what you are saying. (see #1 above, again...)

3. Ridiculous. First, you say you don't see the relevance of whether the Councils are infallible, then you claim we are heretics for abandoning the entire first 7 Councils because a change of a couple words? Which is it? Can you make up your mind?

4. LOL!!! Next, you'll be claiming that the Pope, not Heinz Guderian, was leading the Panzers across the steppes of Russia in 1941!

5. Rome also "defrocks" or laicizes priests. Sorry it isn't to your satisfaction. NONE of the Bishops were heretics! Boy, you sure like that word, don't you. Again, I ask you to look up what it means before you give everyone that stamp... As to your "precedent", that is utterly ridiculous. Have you any knowledge of Church history? How many Arian bishops were removed after Nicea? After Constantinople? A couple? Please.

I appreciate your concern for us here in the United States. Perhaps you could pray for our bishops here. They seem more concerned with running a business than preaching and teaching the faith. But be that as it may, the Pope isn't about to remove bishops from their posts for doing lousy jobs. Only for teaching outright heresy. There is a difference between the sexual abuse cases and heresy.

Regards

190 posted on 11/27/2005 1:30:46 PM PST by jo kus
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To: jo kus

1. It is irrelevant to the question of the canonical powers of the Bishop of Rome and the Vatican I hertical view of the primacy. The 7 councils have zero to do with what we are discussing. It speaks volumes about the fact they have zero to do with this discussion.

2. The schism was CAUSE BY HERESY. A beleif counter to the true doctrine of the church.

3. The Catholics are heretics, this fact and the reason behind it has been explained to you several times not simply by me.

4. You should be prepared when the Roman's history is discussed to acknowledge the violent clearly non Christian deeds some (especially in Europe) have done. To deny it makes you look ignorant of history.

5. My satisfaction? Tell that to the parents of the kids Roman priests raped. My satisfaction is irelevant. Thee pope failed to act and kids got raped and scarred for life as a result. Why? Because one man can fail and pinning the entire church on that failable man is stupid, and uncanonical.


193 posted on 11/27/2005 2:37:35 PM PST by x5452
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