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To: x5452
The Bishop of Rome was excommunicated and started a heretical church, and innovated doctrine outside that doctrine accepted by the councils. That is the schism, and now amount of surprise or lack thereof changes that.

This can very easily be changed to read "the bishop of Constantinople was excommunicated and started a heretical Church..." Where does that leave us?

Out of curiosity, I ask you, by what authority does the bishop of Constantinople have over the See of Peter, the keeper of the keys? EVEN IF all apostles were equal, WHEN did the Constantinople decide it could excommunicate an equal ranking bishop??? I would say this is an usurped power, never given to Constantinople or any ordinary Bishop. Thus, the "excommunication" is not in force (not that it ever was, as ONLY the CURRENT bishop of Rome was "excommunicated" in 1054 - not subsequent Bishops of Rome)

You have yet to show me where the entire Catholic Church was excommunicated from Orthodoxy

Did Orthodoxy EVER declare that the now current Bishop of Rome is a heretic? Or that he is excommunicated? Was EVERY Bishop of Rome, thus, declared excommunicated by Orthodoxy? Again, where is this power given to the those bishops? It seems to me that you are claiming a "primacy of power" for Orthodox bishops. But yet, Rome has none.

the non canonical uniate church proselytizing in Orthodox areas

Does this mean that the Orthodox Church will be leaving the United States, since it is not "Orthodox" territory? I didn't know that the world was divided into "Orthodox" and "Catholic" sections.

Regards

105 posted on 11/22/2005 12:21:43 PM PST by jo kus
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To: jo kus

The patriarchs were not independant to revise the creed agreed on at the council as they saw fit.

With regard to territory, do Irish Catholics go to italian catholic churches and try to convert them into their parishes? Do they setup churches across the street and convince catholics in the other church to stop attending there and start attending across the way? Do they send out a decree that any clergy wishing to leave the irish church may come serve at the italian church no questions asked? Do they dispute the deed claim by the irish church insisting it be given to the italian one?

ALL OF THAT IS HAPPENING IN THE FORMER SOVIET UNION.

That is why the Uniate church is an issue.


109 posted on 11/22/2005 12:28:02 PM PST by x5452
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