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Jesuits to host forum about gay Catholics (despite bishop's ban)
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| November 18, 2005
| CAROL EISENBERG
Posted on 11/18/2005 7:09:29 AM PST by NYer
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posted on
11/18/2005 7:09:29 AM PST
by
NYer
To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
About two dozen people, including several priests and nuns from the diocese of Rockville Centre, are registered, he said.
New Ways Ministry was founded in 1977 by Sister Jeannine Gramick and the Rev. Robert Nugent to advocate for gay Catholics. After the nun and the priest were ordered to stop their work with the ministry by the Vatican, the Mount Rainier, Md.-based group has continued under lay leadership.
The Church is out of step? It's time to give these folks their walking papers.
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posted on
11/18/2005 7:11:11 AM PST
by
NYer
(“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
To: NYer
Looks like the bishops doesn't know or refuses to obey what the Vatican and the Church are saying!
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posted on
11/18/2005 7:12:49 AM PST
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: NYer
It's time to give these folks their walking papers.There are far too many gays in the priesthood and episcopate for this to happen. I agree with you but see no chance of that happeneing.
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posted on
11/18/2005 7:16:10 AM PST
by
ThomasMore
(Time to remove the GAYS from the hierarchy!)
To: NYer
"It makes it more difficult to help people see that there is a tradition in the Catholic church of acceptance of lesbian and gay people," he said. "And it also shows that the thinking of the Vatican's leaders on homosexuality is very much out of step with what American Catholics, not to mention scientists and social scientists, think about homosexuality."*******************
I find it very difficult to believe that the majority of American Catholics are in favour of promoting this kind of thing.
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posted on
11/18/2005 7:18:11 AM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: trisham
I do believe American Catholics is a buzzword for those who want to form ChurchLite, ala the lines of the ECUSA.
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posted on
11/18/2005 7:21:42 AM PST
by
Knitting A Conundrum
(Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
To: NYer
the program does not challenge church orthodoxySo, are they proclaiming and supporting the call to chastity for those with same sex attraction disorder? Didn't think so. Are they proclaiming the need to avoid sinful homosexual activity and the near occasions of sin? Didn't think so. At most there will be a tacit silence on these points with a nudge and a wink, I'm sure. At worse, such activity will be approved and celebrated.
To: Knitting A Conundrum
Episcopal Church in the United States of America?
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posted on
11/18/2005 7:25:29 AM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: trisham
Which is being torn apart with gay rights/liberal theology along the lines which some would like to force the Catholic Church along.
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posted on
11/18/2005 7:31:57 AM PST
by
Knitting A Conundrum
(Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
To: NYer
OK, here's the $64K question:
What authority does the diocesan bishop have over a Jesuit facility? The head of the Jesuits used to be known as the "Black Pope" and was answerable only to Rome.
What's the situation now? Can the bishop rat this group out to Rome?
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posted on
11/18/2005 7:32:00 AM PST
by
AnAmericanMother
(. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
To: Knitting A Conundrum
Which is being torn apart with gay rights/liberal theology along the lines which some would like to force the Catholic Church along.***********
Yes, you're quite right.
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posted on
11/18/2005 7:37:50 AM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: AnAmericanMother
Even though the author of Windswept house was laicised - his story is compelling. The Jesuits are rotten apples at the bottom of the barrel and need to be exorcised.
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posted on
11/18/2005 7:39:24 AM PST
by
i.l.e.
(Tagline - this space for sale....)
To: AnAmericanMother
I thought the bishop of a diocese still had sayso over what orders were allowed within the boundaries of his diocese?
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posted on
11/18/2005 7:40:35 AM PST
by
Knitting A Conundrum
(Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
To: NYer
Homosexuals comprise AT BEST 10% of the population, and it is actually more like a mere 2 to 3%. So, why do we have to spend such an inordinate amount of time pandering to a group of degenerate sinners who show no remorse over their ways, nor any inclination to repent?
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/7/302003e.asp
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posted on
11/18/2005 7:45:55 AM PST
by
wagglebee
("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
To: wagglebee
"That 2.1% figure [of the total population] even includes bisexuals, which makes the percentage of people claiming to be exclusively homosexual even lower," said American Family Association **************
Interesting.
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posted on
11/18/2005 7:48:54 AM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: AnAmericanMother; ninenot; sittnick
I graduated a Jesuit Prep School so long ago that they were still Catholics. The Jebbies enjoy a protection from diocesan ordinaries that was earned by their predecessors and ought no longer apply to the neo-pagans posing as Jebbies nowadays. These guys are onviously rubbing Bishop Murphy's nose in it. That was not why they report only to the "Black Pope" Kolvenbach and, through him, to B-16. B-16 should suppress the Jesuits on general principles. A 70 year suppression should allow for a better reconstituted Society of Jesus since most current Jebbies would be dead or disabled by then.
Short of full suppression, B-16 can and should strip Kolvenbach and the society of its papal protections. Somehow, the Dominicans and Franciscans and Benedictines and other orders have survived without special status. Likewise, however, B-16 should stand prepared to punish anti-Catholic bishops. Subsidiarity is a cherished principle in Catholicism and in conservatism but it has its limits, Whether a religious order rebels or a bishop rebels, punishment should be sure and swift.
The good news is that, although the Jebbies have gone from "God's Marines" to Satan's in forty years, their numbers are now one third of what they were then and rapidly declining. Their leftist commitments may suppress themselves.
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posted on
11/18/2005 7:50:22 AM PST
by
BlackElk
(Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
To: NYer
They are turning to Paganism.
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posted on
11/18/2005 7:54:22 AM PST
by
Coleus
(Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
To: i.l.e.
Windswept House was written by the late Fr. Malachi Martin, who had been ordained as a Jesuit. He was not laicized but rather was released from the Jesuit Order by Pope Paul VI so that Fr. Martin could be free of the Jebbie bureaucracy in his work to explain what had happened to the Church and to the Jesuits. To be laicized is to be returned from the priesthood to a lay (non-clerical) status. Fr. Martin was a priest to the day of his death and, according to Catholic doctrine, a priest forever because his soul was marked eternally by his receipt of the Sacrament of Holy Orders. He was able to the end to say Mass and to consecrate the Holy Eucharist.
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posted on
11/18/2005 7:56:09 AM PST
by
BlackElk
(Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
To: Knitting A Conundrum
Two exceptions are the Society of Jesus and Opus Dei.
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posted on
11/18/2005 7:57:00 AM PST
by
BlackElk
(Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
To: BlackElk
Ah!
One understands how the Jesuits got themselves dissolved once before because of how how they related to various authorities...
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posted on
11/18/2005 8:02:05 AM PST
by
Knitting A Conundrum
(Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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