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To: PetroniusMaximus; annalex; Buggman; Petrosius
If you don't mind me asking, what is the first clear and specifically Christian reference you feel that you have for praying for the dead

Slight correction ... God is the God of the living not the dead. The living on earth and in heaven are one family.

Luke 20:38 - and he is not God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive."

123 posted on 11/15/2005 10:24:05 AM PST by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: NYer; annalex; Buggman; Petrosius

" Slight correction ... God is the God of the living not the dead. The living on earth and in heaven are one family."


Sorry, I was just using what I thought was established Catholic terminology.

Prayers for the Dead
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04653a.htm


124 posted on 11/15/2005 10:37:48 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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That is true, the technical term is prayer for the Church Suffering or "for the souls in Purgatory".

On another note: It is true that the Maccabee soldiers apparently had committed a mortal sin, which should according to the teaching of the Church send them to Hell and not Purgatory. But then, firstly, we are not attempting to re-create the Jewish theology of the period.

Secodnly, they prayed for them, so they hoped for Divine mercy, given in particular that they were, in Christian parlance, martyrs for the faith regardless of the sin. Martyrdom helps to redeem sin, and in the Christian era we should not presume that a Christian soldier died in mortal sin despite any evidence that he did. Despite some deviations known to happen in the past, a Mass for the dead can be offered for all regardless of any presumptions one might make about their state at death. In fact we are told by Christ not to judge the state of another man's soul. We are to hope that mercy was given the deceased, and should he in fact be condemned to Hell, no sin is committed by praying for his soul anyway.


125 posted on 11/15/2005 10:48:32 AM PST by annalex
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