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To: bremenboy
are catholics born agian? no

You are quite confused. The Church that Christ established is the only authority regarding both Sacred Scripture and Apostolic Tradition -the truth about being "born again" has been passed down from Christ legitimately in combination of both Scripture & Tradition. All other sects (which it appears you may be member of one) maintain some aspects of the complete truth; however, it is only His Church , the Catholic Church, that holds and maintains the complete and authentic truth -and has done so wiithout error for 2000 years...

I suggest that if you want to continue attacking His Church that you would at least learn something more substantial about Her. He provided and provides us much more than the readers digest version of scripture many sects labor over as if it was a cafeteria menu type self improvement guide...

Here is some further information from the Catechism of the Catholic Church to get you started on learning what the truth really entails:

Catechism of the Catholic Church - III. How is the Sacrament of Baptism Celebrated?

Christian Initiation

1229 From the time of the apostles, becoming a Christian has been accomplished by a journey and initiation in several stages. This journey can be covered rapidly or slowly, but certain essential elements will always have to be present: proclamation of the Word, acceptance of the Gospel entailing conversion, profession of faith, Baptism itself, the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, and admission to Eucharistic communion.

1230 This initiation has varied greatly through the centuries according to circumstances. In the first centuries of the Church, Christian initiation saw considerable development. A long period of catechumenate included a series of preparatory rites, which were liturgical landmarks along the path of catechumenal preparation and culminated in the celebration of the sacraments of Christian initiation.

1231 Where infant Baptism has become the form in which this sacrament is usually celebrated, it has become a single act encapsulating the preparatory stages of Christian initiation in a very abridged way. By its very nature infant Baptism requires a post-baptismal catechumenate. Not only is there a need for instruction after Baptism, but also for the necessary flowering of baptismal grace in personal growth. the catechism has its proper place here.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - Article 2

1285 Baptism, the Eucharist, and the sacrament of Confirmation together constitute the "sacraments of Christian initiation," whose unity must be safeguarded. It must be explained to the faithful that the reception of the sacrament of Confirmation is necessary for the completion of baptismal grace. For "by the sacrament of Confirmation, [the baptized] are more perfectly bound to the Church and are enriched with a special strength of the Holy Spirit. Hence they are, as true witnesses of Christ, more strictly obliged to spread and defend the faith by word and deed.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - II. The Signs and the Rite of Confirmation

1298 When Confirmation is celebrated separately from Baptism, as is the case in the Roman Rite, the Liturgy of Confirmation begins with the renewal of baptismal promises and the profession of faith by the confirmands. This clearly shows that Confirmation follows Baptism. When adults are baptized, they immediately receive Confirmation and participate in the Eucharist.

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91 posted on 11/11/2005 10:18:32 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers
with even the slightest understanding of the holy word one can quickly see that the church in the new testament and the roman catholic church are not the same
here is a link to a debate that you might enjoy
http://www.padfield.com/debates/greeson_1.html
175 posted on 11/11/2005 12:11:37 PM PST by bremenboy (I am always right except when I am wrong)
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