Posted on 11/11/2005 5:51:08 AM PST by NYer
(I find even quite a few Catholics are bitter toward the church though I don't know as I'd say they truly beleive the faith... many of the are pro gay marriage and pro abortion as well... )
Why am I sadly not surprised?
"...I know, I was born and raised Catholic, went to Catholic grammar school, Jesuit college prep and university"...
Well THAT was the problem!! Jesuit college!
So what's with the Holy Spirit descending upon Jesus at His baptism?
You do seem anti-Catholic.
Sounds like out of the loop on something what is Jesuit College, and why is it bad?
You think all of the other relationships in the world, where you have to work on pleasing the other party, are incorrect models for the only truly important relationship?
God is a big punching bag who takes whatever we do to Him in stride?
SD
"...than I did in Catholic school or my parents protestant church."
If you go to the wrong Protestant church it can be an absolute grave.
"I haven't met anyone in our church who doesn't exemply being filled with the holy spirit."
I am glad to hear it! Now if only you folks would get out there and start knocking on doors....
:)
Does God plant that desire in everyone in the world? If not, are you saying that the "catholic" church is not really "catholic", but limited to whoever He plants his desire in? I don't understand.
The Jesuits, as an order, have gone seriously downhill in terms of orthodoxy. Whereas being educated by Jesuits used to mean one had a firm grasp of the Faith (and other subjects), it now means just about the opposite.
SD
We KNOW (we who call ourselves Christians in most faith traditions) that Christ saves. Some act like it's a magic formula, but that happens in all churches. I personally found more depth of the reality of Christ in the Catholic church, which is a large reason why I am there, much more than in the other Christian groups I went with. This I am happy to witness to anybody. But that's another issue.
Not us to judge the hearts of our fellows. In fact, that could get us into serious spiritual trouble. Better to be like Barnabas, and encourage our fellows in their walk with God.
For me the reality of Jesus is Jesus died that I might live. And if I were the only person on earth who needed that salvation, he still would have done it. And he calls me into an ever deepening understanding of what that gift is for, and in love, I achingly want to be open to him, to be part of the body of Christ on earth, to be hands for him to use, tongue for him to speak, feet to go where he wants me.
Mass draws me closer. Communion is his gift to feed my soul while on the walk, for he is the bread of life.
These attitudes are not unusual. I suspect a lot of us here have them to some degree or other. May we learn to be the hand of God's encouragement to each other.
OK, so I'll just point back to all those years I spent in the Catholic church, "punching my sacramental tickets." LOL Sounds like I'm good to go either way!
Seriously, you miss the point completely. Either Jesus paid the price for my sins (all of them) or He didn't. I believe that He took my sins away and made me righteous. St. Paul makes it clear that we are not to continue sinning; that as a result of obtaining salvation we are made new creatures in Christ and are therefore expected to behave accordingly.
I can't judge each individual who says they have eternal life yet continue to sin. I am responsible for my actions. If I love Jesus, I will obey Him. But He died so that we may have eternal life. His atoning blood wiped out my sins, not vice versa.
Probably was. I think I was agreeing with something you said.
Man cooperates either through his own faith (as a rational adult) or through the faith of others (from infancy through the age of rationale). Jesus worked miracles under the same auspices - the faith of the one to receive the miracle, or the faith of those surrounding.
I think you miss the point completely, which is that everything you just said is Catholic doctrine.
matthew
I understand that Catholicism is too complicated for you. And that you fail to recognize when you've talked your way into a corner. I wasn't the only one to point out your self-contradiction.
His atoning blood wiped out my sins, not vice versa.
Is there someone who thinks their sins wipe out Christ's Blood, or do you have no idea what "vice versa" is supposed to mean?
SD
Recently our priest left (he's been re-asigned setting up a monastary in Niagara Falls).
The prest this week (he's actually retired and filling in until we get a new priest) said basically the same thing. :) He was encouraging us to evangelize more.
The Scriptures say that Jesus said the only unforgiveable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (I'll let you tell me if that's "Popery").
I do not judge the author; as I have stated in a previous thread, I know some Catholics who are "born again", i.e. have eternal life (just as I know many Protestants who do not know what it means to be born again, and so I worry about their eternal security and try to share the Gospel with them).
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