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1 posted on 11/06/2005 8:03:21 PM PST by Coleus
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To: PatrickHenry

Ping......


2 posted on 11/06/2005 8:04:53 PM PST by indcons ("Not all muslims are terrorists; however, all terrorists today are muslims." - George Fernandez)
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To: Coleus
Faith, Science and the Persecution of Richard Sternberg

3 posted on 11/06/2005 8:06:26 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus

There's a hidden genius in DNA.

Is blind evolution necessarily in conflict with intelligent design? What happens if evolution and the laws that govern chance were specifically designed to create life as we know it?


5 posted on 11/06/2005 8:12:54 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Coleus

Excellent!


6 posted on 11/06/2005 8:16:18 PM PST by loboinok (Gun Control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Coleus

It seems rather telling that these people feel their theories are so fragile that they need to bloody the nose of anyone requesting a fair hearing for Intelligent Design as an alternative.


7 posted on 11/06/2005 8:17:40 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Coleus

Show me the intellegent designer!


8 posted on 11/06/2005 8:37:28 PM PST by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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To: PatrickHenry; <1/1,000,000th%; balrog666; BMCDA; Condorman; Dimensio; Doctor Stochastic; ...
Saint Augustine noted centuries ago, the six "days" of creation could hardly have been solar days as we now know,

Six days doesn't really mean six days ping.

9 posted on 11/06/2005 8:43:49 PM PST by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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To: Coleus

Pythagorus--and Newton--thought of God as a geometer. Call it design or patterns. whatever, but the reduction of them to math is what we call science.


11 posted on 11/06/2005 8:57:49 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Coleus
Compounding matters all the more on the part of some proponents of evolution is their insistence on the need to exclude any possibility of God or intelligent design at any stage in the process.

Straw man. That is emphatically not what proponents of evolution say. Their stance is properly called methodological naturalism. In other words, if we can find a sufficient explanation for the evidence in terms of natural causes alone, we should not posit supernatural causes. Or, in the words of another thinker of the Church, William of Ockham, Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.

For example, if the planetary motions can be explained by Newtonian gravitation, it is not appropriate to postulate that the planets are in fact pushed by angels. If the current and fossil lifeforms can be explained by Darwinian evolution - of course, that is a big if! - then it is not apropriate to assume God created trilobites out of clay, or for that matter tweaked trilobite DNA with his finger.

The reason science adopts this view is because the alternative is to stop doing science. "The planets are moved by angels?" - So, no need to do any astronomy, because everything we see in our telescopes is the incomprehensible work of the supernatural. It seems unlikely that the Mayan wise men came to this conclusion - though since all their writing has been lost, we have no way of knowing what conclusions they came to, except that the Creator God had to be fed a regular supply of raw human hearts.

A far stronger view is philosophical naturalism, which says that we must never assume causes outside Nature for effects within Nature. Not many people believe this, but even those who do believe it accept it is an article of faith, not justifiable by reason alone.

Finally, it is interesting that we should learn biology now from bishops and cardinals. I propose to call a council of evolutionary biologists, and ask them to decide whether the Church should ordain homosexuals. Overlapping magisteria seems to be a two-edged sword.

18 posted on 11/07/2005 12:09:27 AM PST by John Locke
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Intelligent design in the world is a rational conclusion based on thousands of years of observation and reflection.
Um, it's also a rational conclusion based on thousands of years of observation and reflection that heavier objects fall to the ground faster, and that the Sun, planets, & stars rotate around the Earth.

That is not a compelling argument at all. Science education is precisely the business of explaining to people why scientists have concluded that things don't necessarily work the way they seem to do to a naive observer.

It's the same way with evolution. The naive observer says, "gee those creatures are really complex, and I've never seen anything like them. I can't see how they could have evolved from something else!" The scientist proceeds to search for the story behind the story.

19 posted on 11/07/2005 12:17:27 AM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Art of Unix Programming by Raymond)
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The ongoing debate concerning the origin of the cosmos and the beginning of human life focuses on a number of explanations. For some the answer is in what is called "creationism." Here the assertion is made that in the beginning God created all that is, basically, as we know and experience reality today. Others find satisfaction in what is described as "evolution by natural selection."

Blew it in the first paragraph. Not a record, but impressive nonetheless.

21 posted on 11/07/2005 6:05:42 AM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Coleus
This embarrassment is my Bishop.
22 posted on 11/07/2005 6:13:44 AM PST by Varda
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To: Coleus
Yet there clearly is a middle ground — "intelligent design." In this view we recognize both God's free creation of all that is and the possibility, or even probability, that creation carried within it the plan of development which we can call evolution.

But this isn't ID. This is standard cosmology for many scientists.

ID says there is no plan of development in creation. It says special creation occurs periodically to create innovation in species.

27 posted on 11/07/2005 8:53:43 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Coleus
Gerlad Schroeder, The Science Of God

"The believer must explain why there is human evil. The atheist must explain everything else." ---Dennis Prager

40 posted on 11/07/2005 6:56:22 PM PST by onedoug
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