Posted on 11/01/2005 8:03:22 PM PST by tuesday afternoon
Look, I think that we're saying the same thing. I agree with you as my sarcastic comment was meant to convey the idea that it "DOESN'T MATTER that Jesus isn't quoted directly addressing this issue."
Those claiming Jesus never had anything to say about homosexuality always omit his repeated references to Sodom and Gomorrah as examples of what awaits those who do not repent. Matthew 10:15, Matthew 11:23-24, Luke 10:12, Luke 17:29.
The apostle Peter, who no doubt heard Jesus' teaching, says virtually the same thing in one of his epistles. 2 Peter 2:5-7
And no, Sodom and Gomorrah were not destroyed for the sin of "inhospitality." Everyone in Jesus' time knew what Sodom and Gomorrah were about:
". . .Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire." Jude 1:7
Dennis Prager
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0003.html#
Has a good exposition. It seems that Moses was the original "homophobe."because a new sexual morality based on heterosexuality was part and parcel of worship of Yahweh, a sexless god altogether different from the bisexual gods of the Canaanites and Egyptions.
What it does is to reject the Bible as a revelation, the acceptance of which is to enter into a covenent with God altogether different from the gods of Egypt and Babylon.
The latest argument making the rounds in the LGBT community is along the following lines: "Jesus, when he accepted St. Veronica's veil, didn't first ask her if she was a Lesbian, ergo, charity, not homosexuality was the most important thing to Jesus. Therefore, there's no question He would have approved of gay marriage"
Doesn't surprise me.
Doesn't surprise me.
Let me guess the authors "orientation" .
I found it quite revealing. Ironic that the first "homophobe" was Moses.
Liberals, gay activists, and feminists seem to have a problem with Paul. In general, they seem to think that Jesus is an OK guy that would be a pleasant comrade for toking up with. Paul is seen by them as, well, you or I might be, only more so. Paul hijacked Christianity and totally distorted it for 2000 years. According to them.
Quite true. Perhaps we can use this to shoehorn them into irrelevancy. If they *won't* accept St. Paul's writings as canonical Scripture, then they are heretics. If they are heretics, then they can simply be totally ignored in the same way that a Hindu pontificating to Christians about the canon of Scripture can be ignored.
Let's prepare them for their potential sendoff with the words of Joshua 24:15, "Choose this day whom you will serve..."
When they have left (of their own choice) then no one, however squishy, will need to cater to them and feel constrained to make concessions. Then perhaps we can get on with the retroactively needed catechesis of the multitude.
The direct answer to the question in the headline is "NO!".
Well, it might not be easy to throw 'em all out individually, in the literal sense. But, if Church leaders would simply realize that these people, by (among other things) excising St. Paul from the scriptural canon, have excised themselves from the Body of Christ, they may yet see that they do not have to appease and coddle them, and can get on with authentically ministering to the rest of their flock.
Later pingout!! (whoever gets to it first; I know you're busy and if I can't do it tonight I'll do it tomorrow.)
I think it a good plan. Now we only need the church leaders (lay & clerical) to make it work.
Homosexual Agenda Ping.
Throckmorton is always good.
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Christ did not quote specifically all of OT law regarding what God divinely revealed moral but He sure did endorse all it!
New Testament: Sacred Scripture on subject of homosexuality:
- Matthew 5:1-48
17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.
18 Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.
19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever obeys and teaches these commandments will be called greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
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