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To: Tax-chick
Had to go back and check the author ...

You know, I love Albert Mohler, but when he says stuff like this:

The church should insist that the biblical formula is: Adulthood means marriage, and marriage means children. This reminds us of our responsibility to raise boys to be husbands and fathers and girls to be wives and mothers. God’s glory is seen in this, for the family is a critical arena where the glory of God is either displayed or denied. It is just as simple as that.

The church must help this society regain its sanity on the gift of children. Willful barrenness and chosen childlessness must be named as moral rebellion. To demand that marriage means sex but not children is to defraud the creator of his joy and pleasure in seeing the saints raising his children.

... I want to ask him if he's aware that it's the Protestant churches (like his own SBC) who turned their back on 2000 years of constant Christian teaching regarding the moral evil of contraception, beginning in 1930, that got us to this place.

If sex without children within marriage is wrong, then Popes Pius XI, Pius XII, Paul VI, and John Paul II was right, and practically the whole Protestant world was, and is, wrong.

Is Dr. Mohler really ready to go there?

30 posted on 10/28/2005 9:12:23 AM PDT by Campion (Truth is not determined by a majority vote -- Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Campion
Is Dr. Mohler really ready to go there?

You would be surprised. This issue is being quietly discussed by a number of church leaders, and my own synod's (LCMS) bioethicists is openly against the BC pill and not to fond of condoms.

31 posted on 10/28/2005 9:33:30 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Campion

Interesting question.

One thing I observe among evangelicals discussing this issue is that they don't want to reach a firm conclusion. It's one thing to say, "We don't think birth control is the best thing," and another to say, "Sexual activity that deliberately frustrates the transmission of life is a violation of a universal norm."

And it's kind of funny, because the argument from the obvious, natural purpose of the act was considered conclusive both by pre-Christian philosophy and by the founders of Protestant denominations. Luther and Calvin used much stronger language than any 20th Century Pope has!


41 posted on 10/28/2005 10:13:32 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Neither the depth of despondency nor the height of euphoria tells you how long either will last. ")
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To: Campion

Indeed, the flat-out, agreed upon decision of a couple to never have children renders the marriage invalid. A decree of nullity would, if sought, be easily granted


83 posted on 11/01/2005 6:50:35 AM PST by magisterium
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