Posted on 10/25/2005 11:48:22 AM PDT by NYer
Ping!
Kolokotronis, is this the basis of what the Orthodox Churches teach on the validity of the Catholic Eucharist? From what I remember reading about your participation in eucharistic benedictions when you were younger, it would seem to me that you, at the very least, believe in the validity of our Mass.
... Should you?
I know it's been awhile since they burned people for such things and no one wants apologies, etc., but this seemed like the time to ask...
What does that have to do with the subject of the thread? Also, the whole "the Catholic Church didn't allow regular people to read the Bible" is ages-old propaganda.
I'd say that notation needs to give way in the face of multiple Papal encyclicals advocating Bible study by the laity and granting indulgences for the pious reading of Scripture.
I'd also say that you are a troll.
What are you saying besides that you aren't a Christian?
You really should practice better password security. Some malefactor has hacked your account, and is using it to post the most risible stupidity. If I were you, I'd be rather annoyed about the matter.
Oh, I can't buy such a Bible now-a-days, so says my priest in Taiwan?
Thanks for proving my point.
Ignore him ... maybe he'll go hack someone's account on DU. He'd likely feel more at home there anyway.
I have surrendered my life to God and count my righteousness on my faith in Jesus' sacrifice and my faith therein.
Please repent or hesitate before you slander me as a "troll," for your own sake and for the Name of Our Most High.
Tell me, when you post something inflammatory, aren't you trolling for a response? And isn't someone who trolls, a troll?
I have surrendered my life to God
Does God tell you to taunt people on Internet message boards?
Can you say the same thing calling me a "troll?"
"I should perhaps thank you for your efforts at levity.
Pakistan, tidal waves, it almost adds up to a fraction of the catholic massacres, oops, you prefer 'mussacres.'"
I don't know where you've been studying history, but whoever is teaching you doesn't seem to give a fig for the truth. Or the Truth. "Surrendering your life to God" (whatever you mean by that) doesn't give you license to bear false witness against your neighbour.
I'd suggest that you retire from this discussion while you still have some semblence of credibility. Slandering the Catholic Church, at the same time as whining about being called a troll, is the height of hypocrisy. Get that beam out of your eye, then maybe you can speak credibly about the splinter in Campion's.
You asked about Catholics reading the Bible, you got an answer that various Popes have strongly recommended it.
Comments?
"Kolokotronis, is this the basis of what the Orthodox Churches teach on the validity of the Catholic Eucharist?"
I don't think so. What Met. John is speaking about is that the fullness of The Church is to be found in a single diocese. But note how this true theogoical genius, a man of great personal piety and spirituality, ties this to the universal Church and primacy within that universal Church. This is in accord with the teachings of +Ignatius of Antioch on both The Church and The Eucharist. Orthodoxy's acceptance of the validity of the Eucharist in the Western Church derives from the validity of its orders and a very long a detailed history in various councils about how to deal with sacraments of "schismatics".
As for me, well I never doubted the validity of a Latin Rite Mass, (or any Latin Rite sacrament) even before I knew anything about theology.
Met. John seems to be extracting the Orthodox notion of the primacy of the Patriarch as first bishop among equals and the primacy of the head of the Council as his basis for understanding the primacy of the bishop of Rome. I think that this is a brilliant bridge of understanding between Rome and Orthodoxy. I am very interested to see what may come of it.
Blessings to Met. John!
The last time this article was posted I remarked that Met. John expressed exactly what I and other Orthodox here have been trying to say, alas with little success no doubt due in part to our own confusion, for about two years now. I believe that ven more now, the second time around. By the way, note his comments about +BXVI. As I have said, a number of Orthodox hierarchs around the world are very excited about this pope, perhaps even more so than Roman Catholics are.
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