Scranton former Anglicans to be received as a body into the Catholic Church

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[AnAmericanMother]

I got persistent red X's . . . let's see if this works any better:

Hope that works. If it doesn't, guys, just right click, highlight properties, and copy and paste to a new window.

[Convert from ECUSA]

"That is the MOST repulsive thing I have ever seen in my life! We had fled the ECUSA screaming before it was published, but you might say it confirmed us in our judgment that it was time to make tracks."

Ain't that the truth! The okey-dokey by the 2003 Episcopagan General Circus for V. G. Robinson and his man-toy was the final straw that sent me running across the Tiber (a friend of mine in Michigan swears he heard the sonic boom all the way from Virignia! :)) I saw this picture after I left and it only confirmed that, as I put it to my former Episcopalian rector (one of the few truly decent and godly clergy left in the ECUSA), Vichy had taken the place over and I had to get across the Channel where they still sent a few Spitfires up each day to shoot down Heinkels!

[Convert from ECUSA]

Now don't get me drooling......:) I don't want to mess up my keyboard! :))

Now that is what I call real music, not like the swill that passes for "music" in all to many Catholic parishes and various Protestant churches in the past 40-45 years. It seems the only part of Christianity that hasn't succumbed to the hideousness of "contemporary sacred music" (GAG) are the Eastern Rite Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox.

[AnAmericanMother]

. . . I think you just made an inadvertent funny replying to the wrong person . . . . but I'll never tell . . . < g >

Any time you're in the Atlanta neighborhood, ping me and you can visit a Catholic parish with Really Good Music. If you give me some warning, I can try to request some Really Good English Music (although the law of averages says you'll hit some whenever you show up.)

[rock58seg]

I was born R.C. You are absolutely correct. Out music is atrocious. The melodies are unsingable voice acrobatics and all the words as translated from Latin seem to be, "eat my body drink my blood". It seems so unfair that the Protestants got all the good music and songs.

[FormerACLUmember]

Yeah, the two smiling fiends are simply freeking adorable photo. NOT!

[ArrogantBustard]

Rule One: No Poofters!!!

[Convert from ECUSA]

Even when I was Protestant (I was raised Baptist), I liked all the "old" Catholic music (the Latin stuff), it has a timeless beauty about it the same way the Eastern Orthodox chants in Russian, Bulgarian, Greek, etc. The so-called "spirit of Vatican II" just trashed Catholic music (the various Protestant mainliners trashed their music around the same time....it was a sixties thing) and dumbed it down. Banal and focused on us and self instead of sweeping one up toward the Lord like the real Catholic (and pre sixties Anglican) music does.

[Claud]

We're working on the Anglican music!

LOL..wonderful! I didn't know Byrd and Tallis were Catholics! Fancy that.

Over here in the traditional Roman Rite, we're busy stitching that heritage back together. We sing from the St. Basil's, the Traditional Roman Hymnal, and the St. Gregory's; only the middle one there is modern, but it was put out by the SSPX so the St. Louis Jesuits are (ahem) rather underrepresented.

I am now just introducing myself to the glorious English liturgical music heritage, but I'm a bit at a loss where to start. Any good beginner recordings you might recommend?

[Convert from ECUSA]

If I ever get down there and visit your parish, between the music and your own wonderful Irish dreadnought pastor (like the one at my parish in VA), I might never leave! :))))

[AnAmericanMother]

You are welcome at ANY time!

( . . . can you sing? . . . < g > )

[AnAmericanMother]

Rule Two: No Poofters!!!

[ArrogantBustard]

Rule Four: I don't want to catch anyone not drinking this term!

[AnAmericanMother]

Byrd (d. 1623) and Tallis (d. 1585) not only remained Catholic but were rather "in your face" about it . . . Byrd got fined a couple of times for being a recusant.

Any good beginner recordings you might recommend?

Oh, my! Talk about "opening the door" as they say in the legal biz . . .

Anything by the Tallis Scholars or the Cambridge Singers would be a good place to start.

Here is a good one: Treasures of English Church Music with John Rutter & the Cambridge Singers. Splendid survey from the early Latin music (Parsons, Tallis, Byrd) on up to modern times, but even the modern music is traditionally structured because Rutter likes the old stuff (our former ECUSA choirmaster, who is a good egg even if his employers are not, knew him well and we sang a lot of Rutter's own works - we actually still sing two ("The Lord is My Shepherd" and "O Come Let Us Sing") in our new church.)

The album hits a good selection of English composers, but one of my very favorites is Hide Not Thou Thy Face by a little known composer, Richard Farrant, about whom virtually nothing is known but his name and the fact that he was Organist for the Chapel Royal in the 1560s. We have sung it also.

Give it a listen.

[Carolina]

Every Anglican chorister's favorite anthology. I love Farrant's "Lord, For Thy Tender Mercy's Sake" and "Call to Remembrance".

[Claud]

Anything by the Tallis Scholars or the Cambridge Singers would be a good place to start.

Splendid, thank you so much! My wife picked out a Cambridge Singers disk last year...Christmas Star or something like that. O...my...goodness... it turned out to be the most sublime incredible Christmas album I have EVER heard. The songs are fabulous, the arrangements are phenomenal. We've been looking to get other stuff by them, so this is a perfect opportunity! :)

I just checked out their "Treasures" disk, and am delighted to see "This Joyful Eastertide" on there! We just learned that this year in our choir and we all loved it!

[AnAmericanMother]

EEEEEKKKKK!

The reason I am screaming is that our choirmaster hauled out 5 or 6 copies of this very book last Sunday and we were going over some of the anthems contained therein (OUP is always good for English music.) We are thinking about new choir robes, and somebody proposed that the men could wear the nifty cloaks and hats over their surplices like the Gentlemen of the Chapel Royall, while we ladies would dress like the Children . . . with veils.

We don't think Monsignor would bite (especially the hats) but my husband already has an appropriate beard. (We think the sketch is Jacobean rather than Tudor, but we could be wrong.)

BTW, it is now thought that "Lord for Thy Tender Mercy's Sake" is by Dr. Christopher Tye or John Hilton.

[AnAmericanMother]

We sing "This Joyful Eastertide" also - and we sang it in our former ECUSA church. Of course that's Dutch and not English, but it was popularized by Rutter, so, close enough. Listen to the Byrd "Thou Knowest Lord the Secrets of Our Hearts" too. (That plays a role in Dorothy Sayers' mystery The Nine Tailors, BTW - well worth reading if you have a chance.)

Our old EC choir was pretty hot - we sang at Spoleto, cut CDs, etc. Our new choir isn't there yet, but I think we have hit critical mass because we have started attracting semi-professional singers who show up on the doorstep. As Monsignor said when we remarked on the fact that the choir rehearsal room had gotten too small because we have almost 30 members (up from 8-10 on a good Sunday), "Success begets success!"

We have a new choir room! It's twice the size of the old one and has lovely acoustics - Pergo floor is going in and we have a line on a grand piano. The handbells will be able to leave their tables set up at one end of the room too!

[Salvation]

BTTT!!!!!


And welcome to THE one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church!

[Salvation]

It would seem that some catechesis to re-order thoughts would be appropriate. What did you do?