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To: murphE

(1) Baptism of desire requires perfect contrition or love of God above all things, whereas baptism of water requires only attrition, or sorrow for sins because of the fear of punishment;
(2) Children cannot be saved by baptism of desire;
(3) Simulation of a sacrament, even by one invincibly ignorant of the required matter and form, is a grave sin; moreover, it is harmful to the dignity of the sacrament;
(4) Baptism of desire does not remit the temporal punishment due to sin;
(5) Baptism of desire does not imprint the baptismal character, and it is fitting that men "be conformed to Christ's other members by receiving the character" (St. Thomas, III q. 68 a. 1). By a similar reason, "in danger of death children should be confirmed even if they have not yet attained the age of discretion" (CCC 1307), even though the reception of this sacrament is, for infants, in no way necessary for salvation.

If you consult St. Alphonsus Liguori's "Theologia Moralis", you will find that he treats extensively of the required form and matter of baptism of water, as regards both lawfulness and validity, directly after affirming the "de fide" status of baptism of desire.


69 posted on 10/25/2005 8:50:05 PM PDT by gbcdoj (Let us ask the Lord with tears, that according to his will so he would shew his mercy to us Jud 8:17)
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To: gbcdoj
(1)Baptism of desire requires perfect contrition or love of God above all things, whereas baptism of water requires only attrition, or sorrow for sins because of the fear of punishment

So we never really do know if anyone has ever been saved by baptism of desire, since we cannot know if they had perfect contrition.

(2) Children cannot be saved by baptism of desire-not applicable to CA Guy's example.

(3) Simulation of a sacrament, not applicable to CA Guy's example

(4) Baptism of desire does not remit the temporal punishment due to sin -so now you're worried about purgatory?

(5 Baptism of desire does not imprint the baptismal character,.. So I've heard, and it is not actually a sacrament yet... it works just like one. Never mind, I don't think this will ever be "clear" to me.

70 posted on 10/25/2005 9:11:27 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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