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To: bornacatholic
You're right. I was scratching my head over that one as well. That's what I get for posting before I have my coffee. :O)

You'll find that Augustine's veiw changed over time which he freely admits in his writings; especially with the Pelagius heresy. Here is an excerpt from his works, "On Grace and Free Will".

As Augustine states, God turns the will as He so pleases and changes the will from bad to good. He has Lordship over our wills.

46 posted on 10/22/2005 7:47:54 AM PDT by HarleyD ("...and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed." Acts 13:48)
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To: HarleyD
I understand the mistake :)

BTW, Augustine can be quoted as seeming to appear to deny free will; but he doesn't.

I can find dozens of such examples from his works. Here he is in City of God (which I reread recently) Book 5, chap. 9 Now if there is for God a fixed order of all causes, it does not follow that nothing depends on our free choice. Our wills themselves are in the order of causes, which is, for God, fixed, and is contained in his foreknowledge, since human acts of will are the causes of human activities. therefore he who had prescience of the causes of all events certainly could not be ignorant of our decisions, which he foreknows as the causes of our actions.

*The more you read Augustine the better you will understand he does not deny free will or the necessity of our cooperating with Grace.

Book 12, Chapter 9 "I likewise know that when an evil choice happens in any being, then what happens is dependent upon the will of that being; the failure is voluntary, not necessary, and the punishment that follows is just."

*Dozens of such examples abound.

48 posted on 10/22/2005 9:42:52 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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