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To: mike182d
You said:

To criticize the Novus Ordo Mass is to say that Christ lied and that the Church failed to protect what was most Sacred

Pope Benedict XXI as Cardinal Ratzinger has said:

[describing the de facto suppression of the traditional Latin Mass Pope Paul VI]-“a breach into the history of the liturgy whose consequences could only be tragic.”

He has also said,

“I am convinced that the ecclesial crisis in which we find ourselves today depends in great part on the collapse of the liturgy.”

and also referred to the NO as:

“fabricated liturgy… a banal, on-the-spot product.”

So, are you accusing the pope of "say[ing] that Christ lied and that the Church failed to protect what was most Sacred"?

54 posted on 10/14/2005 9:15:13 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: murphE
[describing the de facto suppression of the traditional Latin Mass Pope Paul VI]-“a breach into the history of the liturgy whose consequences could only be tragic.”

Yes, this is true. Suppression of the Tridentine Riteis just as problematic as suppression of the Maronite Rite would be. Nothing against the NO here.

“I am convinced that the ecclesial crisis in which we find ourselves today depends in great part on the collapse of the liturgy.”

Yes, this is true. The Liturgy has collapsed at the hands of liberal liturgists who refuse to celebrate a NO Mass as the rubrics prescribe. Nothing here against the NO Mass either.

and also referred to the NO as:
“fabricated liturgy… a banal, on-the-spot product.”


Please provide the full quote. I cannot make an assesment of this statement because the actual subject Benedict XVI is speaking of is suspiciously absent.

So, are you accusing the pope of "say[ing] that Christ lied and that the Church failed to protect what was most Sacred"?

If Benedict XVI is saying that Vatican II was a failure, then yes.
62 posted on 10/14/2005 9:29:06 AM PDT by mike182d ("Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?")
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