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To: Kolokotronis
I agree in general. However, the will, intellect, and memory of our souls must be more than graced for us to experience Liturgy rightly and to participate in it authentically.

About Liturgy/Mass, we must be educated/instructed in its various aspects, its purpose, its meaning, our role in it etc.

You are too much of a Christian to trumpet your knowledge in this matter but your brothers and sisters can read what you post and draw obvious conclusions.

. In any event, IMO, the Church in America is woefully unctechized in matters Liturgical and it is the Duty of the Bishops, and the Priests under him, to teach we the sheep.

D.L./Mass/Liturgy is the pluperfect prayer of the church and too many of us Christians are not "getting it," and it shows in our lives outside of D.L.

And it shows in how we participate in D.L. and how much nonsense, inauthenticity, etc we tolerate

62 posted on 10/15/2005 4:39:10 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic; NYer

"I agree in general. However, the will, intellect, and memory of our souls must be more than graced for us to experience Liturgy rightly and to participate in it authentically.

About Liturgy/Mass, we must be educated/instructed in its various aspects, its purpose, its meaning, our role in it etc."

Oh, I suppose you are right. I had the "advantage" of an education by the Sisters of Mercy back in the 1950s and early 60s. Along with all the "eat meat and Friday, go to Hell on Saturday, you wretched little boy" stuff, came a pretty solid education in the sacraments and the Liturgy and all that was reinforced three afternoons a week in the choir loft of our little Greek Orthodox Church by the priest at Greek School.

There is, however, the transforming power of grace which strikes some at their first Liturgy. Just recently someone, perhaps NYer, posted a snip from a Protestant minister about his first time at Mass. Its marvelous and demonstrates just what I have been talking about. I can't seem to find it. Was it you, NYer?

And then there was the reaction of the envoys of Prince Vladimir of Kiev to their first Liturgy at Constantinople:


""We knew not whether we were in heaven or on earth, for surely there is no such splendor or beauty anywhere on earth. We cannot describe it to you; we only know that God dwells there among men and that their Service surpasses the worship of all other places..."

"You are too much of a Christian to trumpet your knowledge in this matter but your brothers and sisters can read what you post and draw obvious conclusions."

My massively swelled head prevents me from responding further save to recommend you read Step 22 of +John Climacus' Ladder of Divine Ascent! :)


63 posted on 10/15/2005 5:07:47 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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