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To: x5452
unlike yourself I always have linked to , or quoted actual gospels and early church literature before insinuating someone has inferior knowledge on a topic.

You should stop making assertions that you can't back up. I suggest you actually research all of my posts on the topic before you incorrectly characterize them. Stating that you possess a deficient knowledge of the topic is a fact not an insinuation.

For your much needed edification:

"For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mothers womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it." Matthew 19:12

"Then Peter answering, said to him: Behold we have left all things, and have followed thee: what therefore shall we have? And Jesus said to them: Amen I say to you, that you who have followed me, in the regeneration, when the Son of man shall sit on the seat of his majesty, you also shall sit on twelve seats judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall possess life everlasting. And many that are first, shall be last: and the last shall be first." Matthew 19:27-30

"And Peter began to say unto him: Behold, we have left all things and have followed thee. Jesus answering said: Amen I say to you, there is no man who hath left house or brethren or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel, Who shall not receive an hundred times as much, now in this time: houses and brethren and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions: and in the world to come life everlasting. But many that are first shall be last: and the last, first." Mark 10:28-31

"Then Peter said: Behold, we have left all things and have followed thee. Who said to them: Amen, I say to you, there is no man that hath left home or parents or brethren or wife or children, for the kingdom of God's sake, Who shall not receive much more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting." Luke 18:28-30

"But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord: how he may please God. But he that is with a wife is solicitous for the things of the world: how he may please his wife. And he is divided. And the unmarried woman and the virgin thinketh on the things of the Lord: that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she that is married thinketh on the things of the world: how she may please her husband. And this I speak for your profit, not to cast a snare upon you, but for that which is decent and which may give you power to attend upon the Lord, without impediment." 1 Corinthians 7:32-35

"It is fitting that the holy bishops and priests of God as well as the Levites, i.e. those who are in the service of the divine sacraments, observe perfect continence, so that they may obtain in all simplicity what they are asking from God; what the Apostles taught and what antiquity itself observed, let us also endeavour to keep... It pleases us all that bishop, priest and deacon, guardians of purity, abstain from conjugal intercourse with their wives, so that those who serve at the altar may keep a perfect chastity." Canon 3, Council of Carthage, 390 AD.

Translate the following, oh learned one, and tell us when it was written:

'ut quod apostoli docuerunt, et ipsa servavit antiquitas nos quoque custodiamus'

and then tell us what Canons XXVII and XXXIII of the Council of Elvira, circa 302 AD, stated.

27 posted on 10/13/2005 10:57:57 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Maybe you will take your argument to the Catholic church which, if what you are arguing IS true, would then need to excommunicate the eastern rite churches.

Further your assertions are not facts no matter how vehemently you might make them.


28 posted on 10/13/2005 11:23:59 AM PDT by x5452
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Further I suggest you learn to take the words of Christ himself with at least as much import as those of early church fathers and apostles.


29 posted on 10/13/2005 11:24:46 AM PDT by x5452
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