[narses]

" In other words, this problem has been around for a long time and is NOT the result of Vatican Council II."

That's right. It would be better said that the abuses of Vatican II (the so called "Spirit of Vatican II") are the result of the problem - that being the infiltration of communists into the seminaries starting in the 1920's. That attempted destruction of our Holy Mother the Church has been systematic, large scale and well financed through most of the XXth Century.

[siunevada]

(the so called "Spirit of Vatican II")

I think we can safely put that 'spirit' in lower case. I don't know who that spirit is, but I don't think it's the Holy Spirit because that spirit seems to directly contradict the 'letter' of Vatican II at every turn.

Whoever that spirit is, I wish it would get lost.

[Desdemona]

That attempted destruction of our Holy Mother the Church has been systematic, large scale and well financed through most of the XXth Century.

Work gets in the way of Freeping.

People think I'm nuts, but I absolutely agree that there were forces trying to destroy the church. And I don't think it was a conspiracy, either.