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To: Dominick

I agree with the philosophy of what that priest told you, Dominick, but I think thing after thing after thing has been piling up, coupled with the outrageous level of immorality and abortion and scandal, the large number of churches that once were clearly able to agree with the apostles' creed becoming unmistakably apostate, the problems within the Catholic Church herself, made worse by over a generation of bad catechesis, the large number of apostate and moving to apostate clergy and religious within the church, that it is just natural to contemplate these things.

For the faithful, it really doesn't matter in the day to day workings of the world whether we are entering a chastisement or even the end times. Our job is to keep on keeping on.

Yet Jesus himself said "When you see these signs, lift up your head, for your time of redemption is at hand." (It's in one of the end time discourses, I'd have to look it up to find the exact passage, and the wording is from my memory.)

What that says to me is: See, the hand of God is still on the world. And this is heartening. And perhaps, it should give us a push to take our Christian duties to be light and salt, a city set on a hill more seriously.

I, as a Christian, need to be clearly doing the Lord's work, so that when he returns or calls me home, I can say honestly, I was just doing what a servant of God should have been doing.


24 posted on 10/11/2005 7:17:09 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

The Scriptural passage you cite is found in Luke 21:28, part of the "Mini Apocalypse" of Luke 21, with paralles in Matthew 24-25 and Mark 13, along, of course, with relevant parts of the Apocalypse (Book of Revelation) itself.

I think it is interesting to contemplate a "duelist" utility to these apocalypses. They have a first instance of relevance in the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 AD; but, this, in turn, according to one school of scritural exegesis, is but a harbinger or scale-model exposition of the "real" end of the world in the future. As the destruction was complet in Jerusalem ("not one stone left upon another"), so will it seem to be at the end of the age.

Serious stuff to think about! And extremely serious to deal with for the Christian generation whose fate it will be to live through the time. Therefore, Jesus gives that generation many clues, both in the physical calamities and the spiritual ones, that the time for alertness is near.

Are WE that generation? Perhaps. It is too early within the series of *potential* warning signs to be clear about this. But God doubtless made the signs sufficiently fuzzy in their early stages so that Christians will *commonly* see a potenitality of The End that they reform their lives and their cultures. Indeed, who can know how many times The End has already been forstalled?

At any rate, there is clearly a purpose for end-generation Christians to be on guard, otherwise, Christ would never have said these things in the context that He did. And clearly, from the context, there will be a "tipping point" where the signs are no longer preliminary but unmistakable, and their usefulness for the Christians of the time will be also unmistakable. As the Jerusalem Christians saw these same kinds of signs beforehand, and escaped from Jerusalem to Petra, perhaps at least some Christians will similarly benefit.

I think it is very possible that the current geological, meteorological, astronomical and spiritual "anomalies" are the very early precursor signs to the real thing to shortly follow. BUT, it is definitely too early to be sure of this. The signs we can discern now may be merely a warning to get our act together, with a fork in the road ahead of us. If we turn back to God, we pass down the fork in the road which leads to the "new springtime" and "restoration" often spoken about of late. If we do not turn back to God, well...

The key is discernment. Let's not, like some televangelists and their followers, make a cottage industry of this sort of thing, running after every little disaster (which always happen!) and assigning them a portent they don't deserve. Between that tendency and another, of some of our Catholics, called "apparition chasing," we focus on morbid fascinations, and lose sight of the very God we should be prostrate before when signs first appear! Let us pray and be ready. We need to anyway; the End of the Age may not come for another thousand years, but our own "end" will come soon enough, regardless. That, rather than overwrought concern for the mere *potential* of the End of the World in our natural lifetimes, should be the focus of the greater part of our prayers and attention.


29 posted on 10/11/2005 8:22:45 AM PDT by magisterium
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Sure but I can tell you about some well meaning ladies who were in a Catholic bookstore I frequent asking for beeswax candles. When they were handed candles they were angry because they were 51% beeswax. Most candles that are beeswax are less that 100% but more than 50%.

They were told that in order to see during the "three days darkness" only 100% beeswax would be useful, and while they have all the food they need, but no candles. I wasn't sure if this was from Conyers or Bayside.

I made everyone mad, including my friend when I remarked, shouldn't they just fast and pray? Yeah it is insensitive, sorry.

It was absurd to think we should prepare in that way rather than prepare through prayer, living the way we should, and doing what the Master asked of us.
30 posted on 10/11/2005 8:35:48 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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