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To: lightman; Kolokotronis; TonyRo76; SmithL; aberaussie; RebelBanker
In the case of the Destroying Worship a.k.a. "Renewing Worship" project of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America it seems to be purely (and crassly) market driven by a publishing house [Augsburg Fortress, or AF] hell bent on foisting a new, improved, brighter, whiter (no, with political correctness, that should be rainbow hued) "constellation of resources".

It is also driven by the radical feminists (the ones I call feminazis here on FR) who have been eating away at the ELCA since before its founding in 1987, and who infest the committee that put together Destroying Worship! AF is completely in thrall to the feminazis, and anything published there must go through the language police to put everthing into "inclusive language". That is why the best American Lutheran theologians publish their books with Eerdmans, etc., and AF is left publishing the works of heretics and third-rate revisionist hacks!!!

No one who has experienced the glory and beauty of the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom can stomach the "new" liturgies, whether Lutheran, Anglican, or Roman Catholic. There are classic Western liturgies that are approximately the age of the Orthodox liturgy. Western churches should base their liturgies on the classic Eastern and Western liturgies, translated into modern languages WITHOUT feminazi language-police "cultural translation". That will avoid the liturgical fictions that the long-suffering orthodox and moderate laity are forced to endure now, and the boredom and hokiness that is associated with them!!!!

9 posted on 10/09/2005 8:45:05 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Honorary Serb; sionnsar

"No one who has experienced the glory and beauty of the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom can stomach the "new" liturgies, whether Lutheran, Anglican, or Roman Catholic."

That's probably a bit of hyperbole! :) Recently we had some ECUSAns come to the Litrugy and begin to attend our study classes. They haven't been back to the Liturgy. They said, with a remarkable degree of frankness I think, that it made them uncomfortable. They are still coming to the classes. But your observation isn't reall off the mark totally. For more than 1000 years, people have been "blown away" by the Divine Liturgy. In the 10th century, the prince of Kiev sent envoys to Constantinople as part of his search for a religion other than paganism for his people. When the envoys returned, having attended the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostomos, they reported to their prince:

"We knew not whether we were in heaven or on earth, for surely there is no such splendor or beauty anywhere on earth. We cannot describe it to you; we only know that God dwells there among men and that their Service surpasses the worship of all other places..."

I suspect that I will rightly be accused of the sin of pride, but I am compelled to say that I thank our Triune God every Sunday that I, an American in 2005, can experience the very same beauty and splendor, the same communion with God that those Kievan envoys did over 1000 years ago, in a little church in the woods that my great-grandparents and grandparents and their fellow Greek immigrants planted here nearly 100 years ago.


10 posted on 10/10/2005 4:47:56 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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