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To: wagglebee

The first popes were maried, the apostles were married.

Are you suggesting that until an unmarried pope celebrated the Eucharist that the sacrement was meaningless?


5 posted on 10/08/2005 12:42:34 PM PDT by x5452
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To: x5452

No, I am saying that there is no theological reasoning behind this. Changing centuries of tradition merely because it seems convenient puts us on a slippery slope.


7 posted on 10/08/2005 12:50:31 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: x5452; wagglebee
the apostles were married.

Were they? We know that Peter was married before he was chosen by Christ to head the Church. Paul and Christ, Himself, we know for a fact were both celibate. Christ advocated celibacy, as did St. Paul.

Matt. 19:11-12 - Jesus says celibacy is a gift from God and whoever can bear it should bear it. Jesus praises and recommends celibacy for full-time ministers in the Church. Because celibacy is a gift from God, those who criticize the Church's practice of celibacy are criticizing God and this wonderful gift He bestows on His chosen ones.

Matt. 19:29 - Jesus says that whoever gives up children for the sake of His name will receive a hundred times more and will inherit eternal life. Jesus praises celibacy when it is done for the sake of His kingdom.

1 Cor 7:1 – Paul teaches that it is well for a man not to touch a woman. This is the choice that the Catholic priests of the Roman rite freely make.

1 Cor. 7:7 - Paul also acknowledges that celibacy is a gift from God and wishes that all were celibate like he is.

1 Cor. 7:27 – Paul teaches men that they should not seek marriage. In Paul’s opinion, marriage introduces worldly temptations that can interfere with one’s relationship with God, specifically regarding those who will become full-time ministers in the Church.

1 Cor. 7:32-33, 38 - Paul recommends celibacy for full-time ministers in the Church so that they are able to focus entirely upon God and building up His kingdom. He “who refrains from marriage will do better.”

Celibacy is a discipline; it is not dogma. There are Eastern Catholic Churches with married priests.

At the Synod, Cardinal Nasrallah Pierre Sfeir, who is Patriarch of Antioch of the Maronites in Lebanon--a Catholic rite which allows for married priests--addressed the issue.

The Cardinal defended the practice of the celibate priesthood and discussed the beauty of the tradition, calling it the "most precious jewel in the treasury of the Catholic Church."

9 posted on 10/08/2005 1:32:45 PM PDT by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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