Posted on 10/05/2005 11:05:11 PM PDT by Salvation
That's pretty glib. But it ignores the basic questions I asked. Luther didn't just change the tire, he went out and got a different car! His connection with the previous 1500 years that first car travelled down was quickly severed; even he admitted later that things unravelled beyond what he wanted only a few years after the revolt was underway. You are heir to that. You have to make a doctrinal connection with the 1500 years prior to Luther's time. Either that, or you have to suppose that God did not provide for the fidelity of His Church to what He wanted taught - for 1500 years! - until someone discovered there was a problem. That's no mere tire change. It's more like a bait-and-switch at the dealership.
No knowledgeable Catholic would deny that Luther had at least a few points in his 95 Theses that were more-or-less legitimate to make. But he chucked the baby out with the bath water in fairly short order. Where was his justification for doing so? Who was HE, anyway? Many doctrines have evolved within generic Protestantism that simply did *not* exist prior to no earlier than 1517. Is this not the "creation of doctrines" and "adding to Scripture" that Protestants are always accusing Catholics of undertaking?
I wonder what you would have said if you were present at the first Council of Jerusalem when the earlier Church used their power to "bind and loosen" and remove the necessity of circumcision for people coming into the Church. "Where is that in the Bible? What gives you the authority to remove a law of God? And so forth.
Regards
You do know that a single priest doesn't constitute the Church and her teachings don't you?
Yeah. Serious attitude problems. I don't want this bunch in the Protestant church either!
This sound muchss like the Liberal elitist left.
Yep.
I have done no such thing. The Roman Catholic Church is just another Christian sect. I accept that all members of the Roman Catholic Church who have exercised faith in Christ by the Grace of God are Christians. Will you give the same benefit of the doubt to members of Protestant sects?
Or have you Psychologically convinced yourself that Protestant Churches are unChristian?
Your ignorance of Catholic teaching is typical of anti catholic rants on this thread. One claim I always hear is that the Holy Spirit will explain Scripture to the individual as he or she reads it. Making any outside authority or even Church ( whether Catholic or not) unecessary. Indeed church is seen as symptom of religion and a barrier to true spirituality. If this is true why would the Holy Spirit be so diverse in the meanings it reveals. Also if Scripture can stand alone without the Church- how is it that there are so many Protestant sects.
Despite the many merits these churches do have. And I have never denied the grace present amongst most any sect. I do have to wonder, is such a subjective faith too vulnerable to the personal patina we coat over everything in our lives?
One of the more notorious anti-Catholic sites on the web, run by a venomously anti-Catholic Seventh-Day Adventist, Mike Scheifler.
You didn't look up the primary source, in fact, you've never seen the primary source. But we all know that Mike Scheifler wouldn't lie, because he hates Roman Catholics as much as you do, right?
When all other arguments fail cry anti-Catholicism.
The point is that all denominations of Christianity have their problems because "Man"tends to try to Psychoanalyze the work of the Holy Spirit. I don,t consider myself anymore Christian then anyone else just because I,m Catholic
Scripture; that which is supported by tradition and only valid when looked at through that tradition as well as continually supported by the current pope and councils.
Who may at any time change or reconfigure those definitions as my be necessary to maintain the structure of said pope and councils.
Sir,
How are we supposed to have a true discussion on our differences if all you can come up with is the above statements which in no way represent reality of Catholic views? I urge you to go to the Catechism and you will find how we really feel about the Scriptures. Argue against that, not against what your preacher told you.
Regards
Sheesh,
I give up. Yes we all actually have rituals where we grind the dug up bones of the non Catholic dead. Protestant, Mason, Mormon, Amway dealers and even deer shot out of season. We then add the fat from McDonald's French Fry vat and burn this before the altar of the great Wazoo.
We also have a fleet of black helicopters and a nifty weather changing machine. You know the one Bush borrowed to start hurricane Katrina. Oh by the way. The secret tunnels of the Vatican tour is held every Tuesday following the first full moon after the NFL play offs. Get your tickets now.
I would suggest you learn the truth about what Catholics believe and teach, before you bash us. But that would take way too much after on your part.
And when caught in a lie, change the subject.
You know, I keep finding myself liking this pope for some reason.
Well-written article. Words of wisdom from a great spiritual thinker, Benedict XVI.
That's your source? A clip from a clip? How about the primary citations? What kind of scholarship is that? How do I even know these words compiled were actually said by the so-called priest? I personally would like to see the source and context so I can look at the quotes. As I showed earlier, it is quite easy to make someone say quite the opposite by dropping off a few key words, or adding them.
Like "we are saved by faith alone apart from the works of the law".
Completely changes the meaning of the Word of God, doesn't it?
Regards
Does that mean you are going to stop ragging on Rick Warren?
And what was the lie - the quotes were made up out of whole cloth? What was the lie?
When you can't come up with a sufficiently scandalous accusation from verifiable sources, make one up.
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