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To: jec1ny

In this day and age, when there is in most places full civil freedom of religion, this kind of demand that the Church must change her beliefs to suit dissenters has absolutely no place. If these people want to be Protestants and have a Protestant understanding of the Eucharist, they can go be Protestants! Nobody forces them to remain Catholic. Dissenters are basically totalitarian thugs who don't believe in freedom of religion and want to force everyone to believe what they believe.


17 posted on 10/05/2005 6:43:17 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam
In this day and age, when there is in most non-Communist, non-Islamic places full civil freedom of religion ...

Makes about half the world's population who don't have the freedom to be Catholic, Congregationalist, or anything in between.

Dissenters are basically totalitarian thugs who don't believe in freedom of religion and want to force everyone to believe what they believe.

Yup. Or at least to keep silent if they don't, or go to jail. The situation in Canada and Australia is very interesting.

18 posted on 10/05/2005 6:47:25 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When bad things happen, conservatives get over it!)
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To: Unam Sanctam
Nobody forces them to remain Catholic. Dissenters are basically totalitarian thugs who don't believe in freedom of religion and want to force everyone to believe what they believe.

Bingo! I've always wondered why these folks just don't leave the Church since they are so unhappy inside it. But the more I've studied them, the more I realize that for them it isn't just a matter of not believing in the Gospel. It's also a matter of keeping everyone else from doing the same. They are actually quite dogmatic in their beliefs.

I also think many don't leave the Church because they have huge martry-complexes. When they stay in the Church but attract lots of controversy because of their heresies, then they can say they are being "prophetic" or that they are "speaking truth to power." If these folks were to leave the Church, few people would pay any attention to them any more. If they all became Unitarians, then how could they be prophetic any more? So much for their martyr complexes.

Like everyone else, I am also puzzled why these folks are so adamant about having women priests when they don't believe in the Eucharist or the Mass. If what they believe about the Mass and Eucharist is true then there would be no need for priests, male or female. Why are they so upset that women cannot enter a ministry that they think is meaningless hocus pocus anyways?

19 posted on 10/05/2005 7:01:51 AM PDT by sassbox
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