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To: Rosary
Once the Mass was the same no matter what part of the world you were in,in the past 40 yrs.

*Wrong.Slavonic Language and Liturgy

Although the Latin holds the chief place among the liturgical languages in which the Mass is celebrated and the praise of God recited in the Divine Offices, yet the Slavonic language comes next to it among the languages widely used throughout the world in the liturgy of the Church. Unlike the Greek or the Latin languages, each of which may be said to be representative of a single rite, it is dedicated to both the Greek and the Roman rites. Its use, however, is far better known throughout Europe as an expression of the Greek Rite; for it is used amongst the various Slavic nationalities of the Byzantine Rite, whether Catholic or Orthodox, and in that form is spread among 115,000,000 people; but it is also used in the Roman Rite along the eastern shores of the Adriatic Sea in Dalmatia and in the lower part of Croatia among the 100,000 Catholics there. Whilst the Greek language is the norm and the original of the Byzantine or Greek Rite, its actual use as a church language is limited to a comparatively small number, reckoning by population. The liturgy and offices of the Byzantine Church were translated from the Greek into what is now Old Slavonic (or Church Slavonic) by Sts. Cyril and Methodius about the year 866 and the period immediately following. St. Cyril is credited with having invented or adapted a special alphabet which now bears his name (Cyrillic) in order to express the sounds of the Slavonic language, as spoken by the Bulgars and Moravians of his day.

Later on St. Methodius translated the entire Bible into Slavonic and his disciples afterwards added other works of the Greek saints and the canon law. These two brother saints always celebrated Mass and administered the sacraments in the Slavonic language. News of their successful missionary work among the pagan Slavs was carried to Rome along with complaints against them for celebrating the rites of the Church in the heathen vernacular. In 868 Saints Cyril and Methodius were summoned to Rome by Nicholas I, but arriving there after his death they were heartily received by his successor Adrian II, who approved of their Slavonic version of the liturgy. St. Cyril died in Rome in 869 and is buried in the Church of San Clemente. St. Methodius was afterwards consecrated Archbishop of Moravia and Pannonia and returned thither to his missionary work. Later on he was again accused of using the heathen Slavonic language in the celebration of the Mass and in the sacraments. It was a popular idea then, that as there had been three languages, Hebrew, Greek, and Latin, inscribed over our Lord on the cross, it would be sacrilegious to use any other language in the service of the Church. St.Methodius appealed to the pope and in 879 he was again summoned to Rome, before John VIII, who after hearing the matter sanctioned the use of the Slavonic language in the Mass and the offices of the Church, saying among other things:

We rightly praise the Slavonic letters invented by Cyril in which praises to God are set forth, and we order that the glories and deeds of Christ our Lord be told in that same language. Nor is it in anywise opposed to wholesome doctrine and faith to say Mass in that same Slavonic language (Nec sanæ fidei vel doctrinæ aliquid obstat missam in eadem slavonica lingua canere), or to chant the holy gospels or divine lessons from the Old and New Testaments duly translated and interpreted therein, or the other parts of the divine office: for He who created the three principal languages, Hebrew, Greek, and Latin, also made the others for His praise and glory (Boczek, Codex, tom. I, pp. 43-44).

Vatican ll, very well was what Mary was referring to...

*Yes, Mary was warning us about an Ecumenical Council which the Chuch, in the name of her Son, teaches cannot Teach error.

23 posted on 09/20/2005 7:05:22 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic

I am speaking of the time when the Latin Tridentine Mass was-not any time way before that..Pope Saint Pius the V, made the Quo Primum-so that the Mass would always remain the same...an Altar boy in France,could serve the same MaSS in Germany,or Poland or Egypt or Africa ect. ect...don't twist the issue of the MESS Vatican ll brought...No place is it the same(clown servives,belly dancing,cowboy services...no reverence,no Catholism) AND Yes,The Catholic Church can make mistakes-it is not so much "Her", but the feeble people who run Her and the weakness of the men in Religion-Clergy- who neglect their responsiblities and duties,grow SLACK-as Our Lady of LaSalette AGAIN foretells in the booklet "APPARITION of the Blessed Virgin,on The Mountain of LaSalette.
Christ founded the Catholic Church ,but the men who run it are subject to human weakness,error,sin,temptation-and they can WORK for the graces through prayer and penances..remember Christ Himself allowed the devil to tempt Him..BUT HE WAS GOD>>>His Priests and Church Authorities are again mere human beings with special Ordainments of the Sacraments---to help them remain FAITHFUL..free will never leaves them till death. Thus also Mary asked at Lasalette to PRAY FOR THE POPE and to pray for the Catholic religious and for the conversion of sinners.


24 posted on 09/20/2005 2:19:49 PM PDT by Rosary (Pray the rosary daily,wear the Brown scapular)
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To: bornacatholic

starharbor.com/fr_martin/links.htm
for more on Lasalette


26 posted on 09/20/2005 2:32:40 PM PDT by Rosary (Pray the rosary daily,wear the Brown scapular)
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