Catholic Caucus: Mary, The Power of Her Name [The Most Holy Name of the Blessed Virgin Mary]

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[Diego1618]

And the Nicene Creed is said at every Mass

I don't think the creed comes from scripture....I believe it comes from 4th century tradition. You have included many other unscriptural things in your traditions also....so why not.

[Diego1618]

But to go the other extreme and say that she does not deserve *any* higher praise than, say St. Peter, is nonsense

Luke 11:27-28, As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you." He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."

If the Lord thought we should pay his mother any special consideration this would have been a good time to let us know.

[Diego1618]

And what do you think Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Paul were if not members of the Church?

They were not members of The Catholic Church....if that is what you're getting at. They were members of The Chuch of God.

Acts 20:28

I Corinth 10:32

I Corinth 11:22

I Corinth 15:9

Galations 1:13

I Corinth 1:2

II Corinth 1:1

I Tim 3:5

I Tim 3:15

I Corinth 11:16

I Thess 2:14

II Thess 1:4

And one time in Romans 16:16 was it called the Church of Christ. John 17:11 Jesus prayed that God the Father would keep the Church in His (the Father's) own name.

Even Polycarp in the first century was still referring to them as The Church of God. (Polycarp to the Phillipians, around 110/140 A.D.) They were never called Catholics in scripture.

[Diego1618]

So you can teach whatever you want as long as it has a stamp on it from Rome

You will spend a long time looking for that. It is surely a shame that a lot of folks do just that.

[Diego1618]

Don't be so insulting. You do worship Mary.

Norm....you are spinning your wheels on that one. They will never admit that.

[Conservative til I die]

The Bible/Word of God was written by God, period. There is no over arching authority over God's Word.

Yeah, in the original King's English no less! And then shortly after the KJV fell out of the sky!

Your arguments are getting sillier and sillier. Time for you to go back to cherry picking troubled, ignorant ex-Catholics for conversions.

[Diego1618]

I've trudged through RC writings before

This is priceless!

[Conservative til I die]

BTW, Rome/RCC is not the Body of Christ/Church. If it was, the bible would say so.

It's right in the Scriptures. Plain as day no less. If you want to play silly semantics games (and I feel sorry for you if that's all you have left), the descriptor "Roman" is just a later innovation. Actually it was really something applied to us by Anglicans thinking that playing semantic games themselves would somehow elevate them to true (Anglican) Catholic status.

1 Tim 3:15
But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.

[Salvation]

Have you ever asked anyone to pray for you?

[Salvation]

Holy Tradition.

You are baiting people, aren't you?

[Conservative til I die]

Answer the question: How do we discern that Luke or any of the other Gospels, Epistles, or Pastoral Letters are really divinely inspired? How did we discern that the Gospel of Thomas and dozens of other Gospels, Epistles, and Pastoral Letters were not divinely inspired?

You have to use Sola Scriptura to prove your point.

[Conservative til I die]

On the one hand, the official "party line" of the RCC is nicely spelled out (hyperdulia, etc.)

Words mean things. When we talk about veneration, hyperdulia, etc. it means exactly that. When we talk about adoration and worship, it means exactly that. No reason for the conspiracy theories about "party lines" and the dark hidden truth.

but in practice, anything and everything Marian is tolerated.

Overly broad and vauge statement without examples of course. However, easily disproven. Someone who elevates Mary to goddess or makes her the fourth part of the Trinity is a heretic. So, by definition, not everything and anything is acceptable.

[Diego1618]

Mary is temporal, temporary, bearing God's image, but mortal. Destined for resurrection on the last day.

Mary is special indeed....but mortal like you say. She was called blessed among women, (Luke 1:42), but still a sinner. (Romans 3:23)

[Conservative til I die]

I always wondered why Catholics don't treat Mary's mother the same as they treat Mary.

After all, if she was born without sin, immaculate, then her Mother, I'm sure, was also born without sin, to carry Marry.

And if Mary is the Mother of God, then her Mother is the Mother of the Mother of God, and is also worthy of being prayed to, and looked to as the intercessor between Mary and the sinner...

After all, if sinners need an intercessor between Jesus and them, why don't sinners also need an intercessor between Mary and them?

Ed

Such pointless and silly questions are asked when one is completely devoid of knowledge about the Catholic faith. Disappointing, but not unexpected.

A good idea is to go to www.google.com and look up "Mary" and "Original Sin". There should be about four or five thousand sites that deal with this issue.

[Salvation]

If he had, he would have found evidences that he could have used on this thread to support the veneration of Mary.

Hmmmm.

[Conservative til I die]

Matthew 6:6-7,"When you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.

Two questions:

Is not the Lord's Prayer what our friend said he prays every day

Do you have a problem with someone praying the Lord's Prayer multiple times?

[Conservative til I die]

I don't think the creed comes from scripture....I believe it comes from 4th century tradition. You have included many other unscriptural things in your traditions also....so why not.

What could you possibly take issue with from the Nicene Creed? Man, scratch a Protestant and uncover an anti-Christian.

[Salvation]

The Life Of Saint Ann[and St.Joachim]

[Conservative til I die]

The Church of God is the Catholic Church.

You're not one of those people that thinks the "trademarked" name means everything, are you? You know, the people that think the "Church of Christ" is the true Church because they call themselves the "Church of Christ", as if the name divorced from history, tradition, and context means anything.

[Conservative til I die]

Even Polycarp in the first century was still referring to them as The Church of God. (Polycarp to the Phillipians, around 110/140 A.D.) They were never called Catholics in scripture

God was never called "Triune" in Scripture either. Yet we can still discern that He is through exegesis, combined with Tradition and dogmatic proclamations made by the early Church.