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To: Theophane
I think that ultimately that it is likely the SSPX will have to come back into regular status with Rome without Bp Williamson, who seems determined to continue in exile forever

DING!

You win!

I think there are a lot of die hards, that wave the SSPX banner, but are actually sedes. Williamson is probably among them. I would like to see more Tridentine Rite Masses, and I think there would have been a quicker resolution of the problems of the SSPX if Fellay had plowed on without Williamson. I think not requiring a repudiation of previous errors can be ignored, if the SSPX leadership can assent to the way things are now. The issue of universal Indult has not been settled, but it soon may be.
10 posted on 08/29/2005 9:31:40 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Dominick

I think there are a lot of die hards, that wave the SSPX banner, but are actually sedes. Williamson is probably among them.

On what do you base this? Williamson is the least sede of anyone in the SSPX. He's the one that cleaned out Ridgefield of the Sedes that eventually formed the SSPV. Williamson also will not confirm any children that do not profess loyalty to the Pope.

I would like to see more Tridentine Rite Masses, and I think there would have been a quicker resolution of the problems of the SSPX if Fellay had plowed on without Williamson.

Fellay and Williamson are on the same page. Williamson plays "bad cop" and Fellay plays "good cop". Williamson's letter put the meeting into the public eye and gave the Vatican a "heads up" on what the SSPX expectations were. In other words "don't expect us to do anything before you change the atmosphere."

I think not requiring a repudiation of previous errors can be ignored, if the SSPX leadership can assent to the way things are now. The issue of universal Indult has not been settled, but it soon may be.

The SSPX wants a repudiation of the errors of post Vatican II era. As Williamson says, the documents must be clarified "the language has to be brought up onto the high ground." LeFebvre wanted no different and the SSPX wants no different now. The unwillingness of the last pontificate to properly address these concerns is what slowed down attempts at regularization.

11 posted on 08/29/2005 9:49:44 AM PDT by Gerard.P (The lips of liberals drip with honey while their hands drip with blood--Bishop Williamson)
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UPDATE - from the Catholic News Service (note the subtle difference in its report)

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Castel Gandolfo, Aug. 29 (CWNews.com) - Pope Benedict XVI (bio - news) met on Monday with Bishop Bernard Fellay, the head of the Society of St. Pius X, for talks aimed toward reconciliation between the Holy See and the traditionalist group.

Joaquin Navarro-Valls, the director of the Vatican press office, reported that the meeting had been held "in a climate of love for the Church and a desire to arrive at perfect communion." He said that the Pope and Bishop Fellay were hoping to make gradual progress in overcoming differences, so that a full agreement could be reached "in a reasonable time."

The Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), founded by the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, broke from the Vatican in 1988, when the French prelate ordained four new bishops in defiance of a direct order from Rome. Pope John Paul II (bio - news) responded by announcing that the traditionalist group had committed a "schismatic act," incurring the penalty of excommunication for Archbishop Lefebvre and the bishops (including Bishop Fellay) he had ordained. But the Vatican has repeatedly sought means of restoring normal ties with the traditionalist group. [For a short summary of the talks between Rome and the SSPX over the past 17 years, see today's separate CWN headline story.] Today's meeting was scheduled in response to a request from Bishop Fellay, Navarro-Valls reported. The Pope met with the traditionalist leader at Castel Gandolfo, the papal summer residence. Also present was Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos (bio - news), the president of the pontifical commission Ecclesia Dei, which is charged with the task of seeking reconciliation with traditionalist Catholics.

In a July interview, Bishop Fellay said that he wanted to meet with Pope Benedict, and ask him to give permission for all Catholic priests throughout the world to use the Tridentine rite in celebrating Mass. He said that he would also ask the Pontiff to rescind the decrees of excommunication for himself and the other bishops consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre in 1988.

Informed Vatican officials speculate that Pope Benedict may be prepared to grant the traditionalist request for a "universal indult" allowing the use of the Tridentine rite.

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According to the Papabile blogspot (extensive coverage on this topic)

Le Figaro reports that a reform for the Pian Rite could emanate from the Synod in October. This has been whispered in the past week or two by more than a few people.

The critical entry from Le Figaro.

Comment Benoît XVI veut ramener les lefebvristes dans l'Eglise: "Selon certaines sources ecclésiastiques proches du dossier, on peut raisonnablement s'attendre à un élargissement de l'autorisation faite aux prêtres de célébrer selon le rite tridentin. Cette autorisation pourrait être annoncée autour du prochain synode sur l'Eucharistie qui se déroulera au mois d'octobre au Vatican. "

12 posted on 08/29/2005 9:49:55 AM PDT by NYer
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