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To: HarleyD; Corin Stormhands; Frumanchu
Than perhaps Pastor Warren's time would be better spent elsewheres?

He can't win with guys like you, can he?

1) John Piper fervently prays for more missionaries to go to Rwanda.

2) Rick Warren receives an invitation to come to Rwanda and then responds by pledging his church assets and church people to the cause and

3) Harley says... don't bother.

Whatever.

19 posted on 08/29/2005 11:09:00 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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Maybe Harley doesn't think God needs any help if Rwandan's are part of the elect.


20 posted on 08/29/2005 11:18:00 AM PDT by connectthedots
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I remain rather skeptical of Warren's work in general. If Warren's motives are pure and righteous, and the Holy Spirit works through him, then I will rejoice at the salvation of men. If his motives are not so, and yet the Holy Spirit works anyway to bring salvation to more souls, again I rejoice.

I don't know Warren's heart, nor do I know God's will as it specifically relates to Warren and this missionary trip. It could very well be that by this excursion He brings Warren to a more complete understanding of the Scriptures and a boldness to proclaim the Gospel message without the smarmy anti-intellectualism.

21 posted on 08/29/2005 11:24:10 AM PDT by Frumanchu (Saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone to the glory of God alone.)
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To: P-Marlowe; Corin Stormhands; Frumanchu

Like guys like who???? Piper? Frumanchu? Calvin? Don't go dragging others into a HarleyD thought pattern. This has nothing to do with doctrinal areas except helping the poor.

I agree with the author. I'm simply saying Rick Warren is naive. You must disagree with the author and believe he isn't naive. You look at the glass half full. I take a more pragmatic approach. History has show us what happens to Christian leaders who take it upon themselves to interject themselves into moral/social issues. (Does Billy Graham/Nixon ring a bell?)

There is nothing wrong with helping others. You want to give Rick Warren money for his Rwanda effort fine with me. But what's the difference in helping Rwandans verses helping Nigerians? Or helping victims of the hurricane? There are poor people all around.

If your goal is to evangelize it should be noted in the article that 95% of all Rwandans consider themselves Christians-higher than the US. Perhaps the US is where evangelism should take place.

Rick Warren may have the best of intentions. I don't know. Can we truly say that about the Rwanda President? If Rick Warren told me he truly feels sorry and wants to help I'd believe him. I'm a bit more skeptical of the Rwanda President saying he read PDL and has seen the light. Frankly wasn't there a convict a while back that said the same thing?

(BTW-Calvin would probably disagree with me as he was very big on this type of thing.)


25 posted on 08/29/2005 11:45:59 AM PDT by HarleyD (I live in my own little world because I enjoy the company.)
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