[Hermann the Cherusker]

As far as NFP and women's enjoyment of sex, I was referring to the fact that women are more "receptive" during their fertile times, exactly when one abstains in NFP. If other methods of sexual pleasure during that time are acceptable, then that negates that issue.

Sexual acts done for pleasure alone (even a passionate kiss) are mortally sinful. Pope Alexander VII condemned the opinion: "It is a probable opinion which states that a kiss is only venial when performed for the sake of the carnal and sensible delight which arises from the kiss, if danger of further consent and pollution is excluded." (Denzinger 1140)

So all sexual pleasure involving arousal that does not conclude in intercourse with the man climaxing inside the woman in the normal way is mortally sinful. Hence all complete acts of oral sex on a male are mortal sins, and all complete acts of oral sex on a female apart from the male either before or after climaxing inside the woman in the normal way are also mortal sins.

So all methods of producing sexual pleasure in a woman apart from the man completing it with an act of marital intercourse must be entirely excluded as mortal sins.

[pa mom]

But you know many women cannot orgasm by intercourse alone, of course. So helping her along is sinful? Or am I misinterpreting and it is not sinful as long as the man ejaculates inside her after her orgasm?

[pa mom]

I guess if I read you correctly there should be no physical contact at all between unmarried persons? Because obviously intercourse is wrong before marriage and even a goodnight kiss can cause arousal.


I am not being flippant, I am trying to understand. I did not go to Catholic school so I guess I am deprived!

[pa mom]

Okay, another question. Sorry.

Is it wrong to kiss your wife passionately say, when you are exiting the car to go into a restaurant for a romantic dinner, or in the hall in the morning when you have to run to work but you want to connect?

[HighlyOpinionated]

Sexual acts done for pleasure alone (even a passionate kiss) are mortally sinful. Pope Alexander VII condemned the opinion: "It is a probable opinion which states that a kiss is only venial when performed for the sake of the carnal and sensible delight which arises from the kiss, if danger of further consent and pollution is excluded." (Denzinger 1140)

Whoa.

Then what about the kissing and other stuff that goes on in the movies and on television?

Should a person who professes to be Catholic, Orthodox, or place Scripture in high regard even be watching that on the screen?

Educate me here. All we see in advertisements, during television shows and on the 'big screen' are then -- mortally sinful? And the actors and actresses?? No wonder Scientology and other cults have infiltrated Hollywood.