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To: TaxachusettsMan

"You know, when you self-proclaimed Guardians of Tradition go off onto a personal rant, that's usually a sign that you've run out of ammo."

I claim no such title. I profess the Credo of the People of God by Pope Paul VI, the Athanasian Creed, the apostles' creed, the Nicene-Constantinople Creed and the Credo of the Council of Trent. How about you?

"So: point blank question 1: do those Circular Letters strike you as duplicitous?"

No. Not at all. They were internal matters for priests of the SSPX, which you chose to violate and make public. Who is the duplicitous one? What are you? An investigative reporter?

"2. On the SSPX USA website, the banner proclaims "filial devotion and loyalty" to Pope Benedict XVI. Do those letters - which actually state NOT FOR GENERAL PUBLICATION - sould filial, devoted or loyal to you?"

Yes. They do. Have you ever read anything written by many priests and bishops in the Novus Ordo who are allegedly in "full communion" with Rome. Perhaps it is time to recognize the child-like Faith does not mean naivete about how things really work in the Church. It appears to me they are concerned about being allowed to stay true to Tradition. Similar to the Orthodox. Have you ever read the Second Vatican Council document on ecumenism?

"Leave my alleged lack of charity out of your response and just let us know what you think of the SSPX's honesty and docility before the Vicar of Christ on earth, our Supreme Pontiff, Benedict XVI."

I think this initial meeting instigated by Bishop Fellay, and accepted by Pope Benedict XVI is a wonderful sign. I find nothiner in the letters you post other than caution to be given to some of the more extreme elements within the SSPX. It was an internal letter, remember, that you chose to make public.



32 posted on 08/16/2005 11:23:38 AM PDT by Mershon
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To: Mershon

I did not choose to make those letters public. They were posted elsewhere on the Internet for all to see. I simply posted them here. (A little venial sin of rash judgment for your next Confession!) Anyhow, isn't secrecy the surest sign of a cult?

I love the way you Lefebvrians twist and turn things. Fellay did not "instigate a meeting" which the Pope "accepted".

Please, remember who is the excommunicated schismatic here - it's Fellay.

Fellay humbly (well, insofar as any Lefebvrian is capable of humility!) requested an audience, which the Holy Father graciously (after the insulting Circular Letters, that's being VERY gracious indeed) granted to him.

And we'll pray.

But read everything to come out of the SSPX - and that's a lot of reading, since it's coming out of both sides of their mouths! - and it's pretty clear: like their arrogant and disobedient master, Marcel, having been their own Popes for this long, it is very unlikely that they are about to go back to being obedient bishops of Christ's one, holy, Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church!


49 posted on 08/16/2005 1:53:24 PM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
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To: Mershon

I did not choose to make those letters public. They were posted elsewhere on the Internet for all to see. I simply posted them here. (A little venial sin of rash judgment for your next Confession!) Anyhow, isn't secrecy the surest sign of a cult?

I love the way you Lefebvrians twist and turn things. Fellay did not "instigate a meeting" which the Pope "accepted".

Please, remember who is the excommunicated schismatic here - it's Fellay.

Fellay humbly (well, insofar as any Lefebvrian is capable of humility!) requested an audience, which the Holy Father graciously (after the insulting Circular Letters, that's being VERY gracious indeed) granted to him.

And we'll pray.

But read everything to come out of the SSPX - and that's a lot of reading, since it's coming out of both sides of their mouths! - and it's pretty clear: like their arrogant and disobedient master, Marcel, having been their own Popes for this long, it is very unlikely that they are about to go back to being obedient bishops of Christ's one, holy, Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church!


50 posted on 08/16/2005 1:53:32 PM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
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