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To: Dominick

I am willing to go out on a limb and state categorically that nearly EVERY SINGLE "Pauline-rite" liturgy offered in the U.S. on nearly every day of the week is illicit

OK, I guess that pretty much puts you in a bad place. A Novus Ordo Mass or "Pauline" Mass, is the noramtive Mass of the Church. If you think that is illicit, then sadly, you are declaring the Church Christ founded as fallen.

Evidently, you do not even know the difference between "illicit" and "invalid." Illicit means there was some change of wording, gestures or rubrics not in accord with the GIRM. Nearly every Mass has some added or deleted word or words by the presiding priest that would qualify it as being illicit.

The SSPX Masses are illicit, as they are done outside of the approval of the local Ordinary. Nearly every single Sunday Mass is illicit if it does not conform exactly to the rubrics and words in the Missal.

I need no other letter from Msgr. Perl. I never told you the contents of that letter. You need to understand the difference between "illicit" (illegal) and invalid.


150 posted on 08/19/2005 6:45:46 AM PDT by Mershon
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To: Mershon
The nature of the error of integrism is overemphasizing every defect in a Mass.

Not every error or defect in the Mass makes it illicit. It is not illicit, but is defective, if the Priest stumbles on a word. If they introduce unauthorized stupid and annoying "innovations"; then you are right there are defects that make for doubtful licitness of that Mass. If those are illicit or not depends on the intention of the person making the error. A defect introduced because a Priest was ordered to do so by his Ordinary, even those that may have been banned by the Holy See, calls into question if that Mass was licit or illicit. Your limb is kinda broken off, but I understand your point. You implied that by using the Novus Ordo Mass in particular, that makes a Mass invalid.

Now if the nature of the illicit Mass is intentional, as is a Mass at a SSPX Chapel, any reasonable person could agree that is more serious. You are correct in most cases the Priest is validly ordained, but suspended, and in many cases operates without oversight. This intentional defect makes every Mass of the SSPX illicit.

An invalid Mass would be one where the Mass was confected by a Woman, who could not be ordained. Using foreign matter, like honey bread, would cause this to be invalid. Consecrating Grape Juice causes an invalid Mass. Another example is omitting consecration, omitting readings, or omitting other essential elements also invalidate the Mass.
151 posted on 08/19/2005 7:24:04 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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