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To: Mershon
If one lives in certain dioceses where there are no truly Catholic liturgies nor truly Catholic priests

If you think a Pauline Mass is not licit, then this condition would exist. That is not an orthodox position. If the Priest was validly ordained, and the Mass is conducted as a Catholic Mass following the GIRM, with no serious defects, then indeed there is no excuse. Even at that, the other options are non-Roman rite Catholic Churches, and there are plenty. Preference for the TLM is not considered licit, that comes from the Holy See.

I understand about children, but frankly, my kids go to CCD, and then when they get home they get the advanced version from me, and our discussions.

This condition does not exist in the United States.
145 posted on 08/18/2005 9:30:58 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Dominick

"If you think a Pauline Mass is not licit, then this condition would exist."

Just by the fact that you call the Mass by the name of one Pope should reveal more to you than anything I have to say. I am willing to go out on a limb and state categorically that nearly EVERY SINGLE "Pauline-rite" liturgy offered in the U.S. on nearly every day of the week is illicit--undera strict understanding of the term. If you want to discuss specifics, we can do this privately.

"That is not an orthodox position. If the Priest was validly ordained, and the Mass is conducted as a Catholic Mass following the GIRM, with no serious defects, then indeed there is no excuse."

If "ifs and buts" were candies and nuts, we'd all have a merrier Christmas! Altar girls? Communion in the hand? Under both species? The habitual use of extraordinary ministers? Faulty English translations? NO Latin in most Novus Ordo Masses, directly contradictory to Sacrosactum Concilium? Which version of the GIRM? The new one or the old one? The American adaptation one, or the USCCB modified version? The one that states that kneeling to receive communion is the universal norm, or the one that contradicts that, all with Vatican "approval?"

"Even at that, the other options are non-Roman rite Catholic Churches, and there are plenty"

Not in South Carolina. There is one. It is 3-1/2 hours away one way.

"Preference for the TLM is not considered licit," (by itself: this reason "by itself" is not considered a good enough reason, not "licit."

"that comes from the Holy See." I have a personal letter from Msgr. Perl directly related to my specific situation that addresses this very matter, as well as others. I think you are universalizing your own particular situation and your own particular opinion.

"I understand about children, but frankly, my kids go to CCD, and then when they get home they get the advanced version from me, and our discussions."

Great. Did you know they are soon going to be subjected to mandated sexual education as early as first grade as part of the VIRTUS program that is being sold as being the Bishops' response to the homosexual crisis. I hope you believe that is a good use of their 45-minute class time.

"This condition does not exist in the United States."

The thing speaks for itself. In your personal opinion. One must use and rely upon one's rightly formed Catholic conscience for individual situations such as today's times bring. Can't help if you don't recognize the magnitude of the crisis.


147 posted on 08/18/2005 11:06:19 AM PDT by Mershon
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To: Dominick

"If you think a Pauline Mass is not licit, then this condition would exist."

Just by the fact that you call the Mass by the name of one Pope should reveal more to you than anything I have to say. I am willing to go out on a limb and state categorically that nearly EVERY SINGLE "Pauline-rite" liturgy offered in the U.S. on nearly every day of the week is illicit--undera strict understanding of the term. If you want to discuss specifics, we can do this privately.

"That is not an orthodox position. If the Priest was validly ordained, and the Mass is conducted as a Catholic Mass following the GIRM, with no serious defects, then indeed there is no excuse."

If "ifs and buts" were candies and nuts, we'd all have a merrier Christmas! Altar girls? Communion in the hand? Under both species? The habitual use of extraordinary ministers? Faulty English translations? NO Latin in most Novus Ordo Masses, directly contradictory to Sacrosactum Concilium? Which version of the GIRM? The new one or the old one? The American adaptation one, or the USCCB modified version? The one that states that kneeling to receive communion is the universal norm, or the one that contradicts that, all with Vatican "approval?"

"Even at that, the other options are non-Roman rite Catholic Churches, and there are plenty"

Not in South Carolina. There is one. It is 3-1/2 hours away one way.

"Preference for the TLM is not considered licit," (by itself: this reason "by itself" is not considered a good enough reason, not "licit."

"that comes from the Holy See." I have a personal letter from Msgr. Perl directly related to my specific situation that addresses this very matter, as well as others. I think you are universalizing your own particular situation and your own particular opinion.

"I understand about children, but frankly, my kids go to CCD, and then when they get home they get the advanced version from me, and our discussions."

Great. Did you know they are soon going to be subjected to mandated sexual education as early as first grade as part of the VIRTUS program that is being sold as being the Bishops' response to the homosexual crisis. I hope you believe that is a good use of their 45-minute class time.

"This condition does not exist in the United States."

The thing speaks for itself. In your personal opinion. One must use and rely upon one's rightly formed Catholic conscience for individual situations such as today's times bring. Can't help if you don't recognize the magnitude of the crisis.


148 posted on 08/18/2005 11:06:32 AM PDT by Mershon
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