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"Not many self-annointed trads admit the sspx is not in the church."

Your pre-Vatican II theology shows you out. This is not the language of the post-Conciliar Church.

Certain members of the SSPX may be in "imperfect communion" or they may be in the body, but not in the heart of the Church. And there is no true ecumenism with the SSPX as Cardinal Cassidy admitted some time ago, because "the SSPX is an internal matter of the Catholic Church."

But since nobody really knows what "true" ecumenism is, I thought I would use that. I don't supposed many people speak to, or of, their non-Catholic relatives or friends with the uncharity of those who speak to traditional Catholics here, just for the record.

Thanks for the kudos. If you have followed my posts at all over the past couple of years, you would know I have been hammered by many "to my right" just as much as NeoCons who can't seem to grip that things are quickly moving to the right of them. When SSPX reconciles, and the TLM is freed, then???

When SSPX reconciles, and the TLM is freed, then???

I would normally use the phrase, "let me look into my crystal ball..."

I think things would turn quickly, as people who are serious about Catholicism flock to parishes where Mass is offered seriously. If that is the Tridentine Mass, then thats where they will be.

I think those who support the Indult now, are those who would be even more active in the parishes when they feel less like an oddity and more like a valued member. Right now, the mention of Latin Mass makes some quiver, because of bad experiences with those who express that SSPX-style defiance.

One current problem is there are a lot of people who attend Church but don't have the Church as a purveryor of self-improvement and growth, or even something they work with to solve problems and enrich the Faith. These hangers-on tend to go to Catholic Church because they get a discount on tuition.

I think when the people who are serious about the Faith have a jurisdictional parish, that supports the spiritual needs with reverent and possibly Tridentine Mass, those CHurches will fill. The first effect would be that changes will occur at Church that have Novus Ordo Mass, and those too will improve and be more reverent. Kind of like a price war, looking to attract those high value hard working, and collection plate filling serious Catholics.

Mershon I have not always agreed with you, and I am sure I had irritated you in the past, but I appreciate your thoughtful point of view.