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To: Aggie Mama

Where does it say that Moses was assumed, whatever that is supposed to mean? Taken up into heaven I suppose. The bible states that Moses died and God buried him. Jesus Christ was stated to be the mediator of the New Testament, not Mary. I don't care to fight about it, but I have never understood how anyone could believe that Mary was divine. Aren't you taught to believe in the trinity, which you seem to negate by assigning divinity to a human being.


199 posted on 08/16/2005 2:04:40 PM PDT by XSive Rider
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To: XSive Rider; Aggie Mama
I don't care to fight about it, but I have never understood how anyone could believe that Mary was divine.

Catholics don't believe she's divine. It is their belief that she is the highest of God's creatures.

200 posted on 08/16/2005 2:10:37 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: XSive Rider
Jesus Christ was stated to be the mediator of the New Testament, not Mary.

We don't disagree with this. I don't care to fight about it, but I have never understood how anyone could believe that Mary was divine

We don't think that she was divine. The comparison is that God is the sun to her moon.

213 posted on 08/17/2005 11:14:22 AM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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To: XSive Rider; Aggie Mama; Salvation

Mary WAS assummed; today is the Solemnity of her Assumption into Heaven. Mary is not and never has been declared "divine" by the Catholic Church, but rather "perfect" (without sin) and worthy of reverence.

The four dogmas (unaltereable, revealed truths) about Mary are very simple and all have Biblical support: Immaculate Conception (she was conceived without sin to be a perfect vessel for our Lord), Virgin Birth, Mother of God (and Mother of His Church), Assumption into Heaven (whether before or after a "natural" death is not defined, there are many theological theories, but the Church always admits what she does not know as well as what she does).

Mary's Fiat ('yes') to God in accepting the role of Mother of Jesus is the doorway to the redemption. The Incarnation of Christ was possible due to Mary's perfection and agreement.

To understand Mary's intercessory capacity, it helps to understand the Communion of Saints. It is not only to Mary that we may pray, but anyone in Heaven.

Do you honor your mother? Then you must honor Mary, the only perfect woman, the new Eve, a completely human yet sinless virgin mother, and our heavenly Mother.

For those who must have scripture quotations, just see the posting by Salvation of today's Mass readings. There is the Bible referring to Mary, and only a small fraction of the foundation for the dogma of the Assumption.

"Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee."


"Hail, Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee." (scriptural, Angel Gabriel; supports Immaculate Conception dogma - "full of Grace" = free from sin.

"Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus." (scriptural, the Visitation)

"My soul doth magnify the Lord, my spirit rejoices in God my saviour, for He has regarded the lowliness of his servant, and ALL FUTURE GENERATIONS SHALL CALL ME BLESSED." (scriptural...I could go on...)

If you're not honoring Mary, give it a try, you'll discover a real, loving, human and perfect mother!)


224 posted on 08/15/2006 9:06:46 AM PDT by baa39 (Quid hoc ad aeternitatem?)
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