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To: BulldogCatholic
Did you even read what I quoted? "Therefore, it is not licit to deny Holy Communion to any of Christ’s faithful solely on the grounds, for example, that the person wishes to receive the Eucharist kneeling or standing." (Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum, §91)
59 posted on 08/16/2005 9:29:24 AM PDT by gbcdoj (Let us ask the Lord with tears, that according to his will so he would shew his mercy to us Jud 8:17)
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To: gbcdoj

Try asking countless of parishoners here-JPII only put out Redemtionis because of just that fact.

Do you for one minute actually think the Bishops actually give a hoot what Rome says? Like I think you said, the V2 documents have many requirements that to this day are not being followed.

And when you are on that long line with all of those kiddies in their shorts and flip flops, woman with halter tops and men in T-shirts waiting for the "Body of Christ", you are going to stop and hold up the line and kneel? You are not being Modern! Hey, no one genuflects no more either, tabernacle? so what. The Novus Ordo have that nice little table in the middle and no one dares genuflect anymore, or a few die hards. Our Bishop does a little "nod" to the laity when he passes by the tabernacle, he is worshipping the LAITY! Not Christ!

The New Mass is self indulgent worship of oneself, and casts doubt on the real presence and has resulted in a loss of the faith for millions never to be regained. It is actually worse than the reformation as this time the split from past church teachings came from within and not from without, like the Aryan Heresy of old


60 posted on 08/16/2005 10:09:15 AM PDT by BulldogCatholic
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To: gbcdoj

You would think that an encyclical from the Pope would be enough to trump the local bishop, but this is unfortunately not the case any more. They call it "aggiornamento," and collegiality. The pope makes a bold statement like this, and like so many other things (we could make a big list), the bishops of the world immediately ignore it. It's almost as if they agreed ahead of time to act in concert.

If the pope were to take any specific action against the offending prelates, the "price to pay" would be ostensibly too high (whatever that means) therefore, nothing is done.

The fact that such bold statements have no teeth in them makes them impotent and obviated. That's how they got rid of lots of things, such as the annual recitation of the Oath Against Modernism in about 1966, in seminaries all over the world. For if the pope really wanted to institute a conservation of the traditions handed down to us whether by word or by letter, he would attach penalties to transgressions and then carry out the consequential sentences as the need arises. But that is no longer done. Therefore the collapse is in progress...


64 posted on 08/19/2005 1:03:01 AM PDT by donbosco74 (When someone has the sensus Catholicus, they notice without being told.)
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