[BulldogCatholic]

Trolling>? For what? Novus Ordo supporters who are embarrased that their Bishops and the Pope no longer require and or allow you to:

Fast 3 hours before mass

Kneel to receive the sacred species

Allow all kinds of liturgical dancing and music

Allow communion in the hand from a "minister"

Worship "eachother" instead of God

Partake in the "Lords Supper" and not "The Sacrifice of the Mass"

Dress however you please (shorts, flip flops, immodest midriffs showing, etc)

Hold hands, clap, sing whatever during the "Pater Noster"

Altar girls

Now because a holy day falls before or after a Sunday, as long as you attend Mass on the sunday that "counts"!

Retranslated the bible "The NAB" to make it "politically correct"

Allow 60,000 annulments a year!

Hate anything pre-Vatican II

The question I always pose to those who throw the accusation around about the NO mass being valid or invalid is a simple analogy, and I note you have placed much emphasis on the Bishops, and it is as follows:

If the Pope or for that matter tomorrow told you that he (she? soon to be?) told you to that Buddah had much to offer and as at Fatima where JPII allowed the Hindus to worship, your diocese as well as most other dioceses except for maybe 10% of the church's (which will still allow your Novus Ordo Mass but with "modifications") and you were to start incorporating some of the ways hindus, etc worship into your liturgy (and the Bishop can do what they want as we all know)...what would you do?

That is the same question that many Traditional Catholics were faced with after Vatican II and in the past 40 years. We have been told that we must worship like Protestants, only we are still going to call ourselves Catholics. No-you may have been able to sell that "obedience" line to the cafeteria catholics and the Kerry supporters who are Catholics (some 50% of catholics voted for the Pro abortion Kerry as well as Clinton). But it does not work on those that are real "Catholics" as handed down from the Apostles.

[Dominick]

Ya know what all those things are not to this point. Like I said before in my post above, the shifting of HDOs has been done well before Vatican II.

Please take your SSPX pamphlets and take them to some non-Catholic aficionados of that sort of thing.

Cutting and pasting your argument from another thread is exactly a violation of the TOS here...

[gbcdoj]

their Bishops and the Pope no longer require and or allow you to:
Fast 3 hours before mass

Catholics aren't allowed to fast three hours before Mass? Really?

By the way, are you aware that the reduction of the fast to three hours was an innovation of Pope Pius XII? It was. Before then, Catholics were all obligated to fast from midnight. Perhaps you should modify your polemics some, because presenting the three hour fast as a "tradition" is laughable.

Kneel to receive the sacred species

I receive Holy Communion kneeling. This practice is certainly allowed by the Pope: "Therefore, it is not licit to deny Holy Communion to any of Christ’s faithful solely on the grounds, for example, that the person wishes to receive the Eucharist kneeling or standing." (Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum, §91).