So your answer to this is to continue attending a Novus Ordo mass that does not offer the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass (please find the words for me in the original Missae) and without a sacrifice it is not a mass as I am sure you know
The Mass itself whether or not it is valid is really not the question-it is the form of worship we choose as catholics and those who are ordained in the likeness of the Apostles to hold forth the Apostolic Traditions handed down
Does the church still hold the "4 Marks" anymore? Is it still holy? Can it be recognized anywhere and everywhere with its form of worship and doctrine? Not in your lifetime
You dont need to be a 30 yr theologian to realize there are some serious doubts with Vatican II and the Mass.
As far at them being "happy"-have you ever considered how these so called "rad trads" feel? Being casted out as so called "schismatics" by JPII who would hold a conference or a meeting with any false faith on this planet in the name of Love Love and Ecumenism-but if you are a traditional catholic they treat you like the plague and push you out, they dont want you to tell the other parishoners of this deep dark secret they are pulling over the innocent person in the pew who does not have the time to read what you and I read. They are afraid of the truth being revealed -and you have to see the disgust when I questioned the priests in the Novus Ordo parishes where I used to attend when I asked about the merits of the new mass, altar girls, Eucharistic ministers, etc. They, the church of Love are the ones filled with Hate, they would rather see no one in the pews than admit they made a mistake.
As far as the trads being "nasty" as you say and calling them "devils", they should not be acting nasty, but they have a right to feel pushed out and played by the Vatican. As far as clapping-what is the big deal, the Mass has serious flaws, from the mass itself, to the simple translation of it. So what is your point then?
I don't go the Novus Ordo unless I have to. And I find it singularly unpleasant when I do, to the point of almost breaking my heart. But I find your comments about sacrifice a little odd considering that the Roman Canon was preserved intact in the N.O.
Bulldog, my point is that some aspects of the traditionalist movement have fallen in love with being in schism. They like being on the outside, and they are losing any desire to be reunited with Rome under any circumstance. I don't attack the SSPX or anyone else, because those guys were fighting the good fight preserving the Latin Mass when I was deciding that the Catholic Church just wasn't "cool" enough for my life. Their blessed liturgical intransigence is the very reason I even have a Latin Mass to go to, because if it were up to conciliatory people like me, I'm not sure if it would still be around. But even if they have resorted to drastic measures in the past, they have to recognize that impaired communion with the Apostolic See is an "emergency measure" that should be rectified as soon as possible. Disobedience is something to be agonized over, not something to be fondled, cooed at, and applauded.
If what you are saying is true, then Jesus was the greatest conman who ever lived.
If the very sacrifice itself has been somehow penetrated by Satan, then the Church has fallen, contrary to the promise of Christ.
If what Peter binds on earth is not bound in heaven, if "he who hears you" does NOT "hear Me", then you've gone a long way to proving that salvation history is a sham.
Congratulations.