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To: bornacatholic

Are you for real-blanketing the antisemitism label on those that hold fast to tradition and dont subscribe to the notion that those that reject our Lord as savior are on the same footing as we are? Just because one denounces one who denies our Lord-and did lead him to his death (I know all of the PC sanitized Vatican II version, and the "elder brother" line JPII threw out), but the fundamental fact is we are supposed to spread the good news of Christ and those that deny him-Can not and WILL not be saved. And there are those that are ZIONISTS to this day that hate anything that is Christian and if those who are traditional stand up to these people, and not bend over to them as the Novus Ordo do-are they "anti semitic"? No-they are courageous defenders of the faith, something the Novus Ordo know nothing about allowing sacrilige after sacrilige to take place. Sell our Lords body on e-bay? Sure why not. Communion in the hand? Sure why not. Kneel? Never!


It is the Novus Ordo who are full of pride and are the wolf in sheeps clothing. The traditionalist only practices Catholicism as it once was always taught and not a watered down version that is pleasing to these false faiths

God bless


20 posted on 08/08/2005 11:31:46 AM PDT by BulldogCatholic
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To: BulldogCatholic
The Epistle of Saint Paul to the Romans

Chapter 11

God hath not cast off all Israel. The Gentiles must not be proud but stand in faith and fear.

1 I say then: Hath God cast away his people? God forbid! For I also am an Israelite of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Know you not what the scripture saith of Elias, how he calleth on God against Israel?

3 Lord, they have slain thy prophets, they have dug down thy altars. And I am left alone: and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the divine answer to him? I have left me seven thousand men that have not bowed their knees to Baal.

5 Even so then, at this present time also, there is a remnant saved according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, it is not now by works: otherwise grace is no more grace.

7 What then? That which Israel sought, he hath not obtained: but the election hath obtained it. And the rest have been blinded.

8 As it is written: God hath given them the spirit of insensibility; eyes that they should not see and ears that they should not hear, until this present day.

9 And David saith: Let their table be made a snare and a trap and a stumbling block and a recompense unto them.

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see: and bow down their back always.

11 I say then: Have they so stumbled, that they should fall? God forbid! But by their offence salvation is come to the Gentiles, that they may be emulous of them.

12 Now if the offence of them be the riches of the world and the diminution of them the riches of the Gentiles: how much more the fulness of them?

13 For I say to you, Gentiles: As long indeed as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I will honour my ministry,

14 If, by any means, I may provoke to emulation them who are my flesh and may save some of them.

15 For if the loss of them be the reconciliation of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, so is the lump also: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken and thou, being a wild olive, art ingrafted in them and art made partaker of the root and of the fatness of the olive tree:

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root: but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then: The branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.

20 Well: because of unbelief they were broken off. But thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear.

21 For if God hath not spared the natural branches, fear lest perhaps also he spare not thee.

22 See then the goodness and the severity of God: towards them indeed that are fallen, the severity; but towards thee, the goodness of God, if thou abide in goodness. Otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou were cut out of the wild olive tree, which is natural to thee; and, contrary to nature, wert grafted into the good olive tree: how much more shall they that are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not have you ignorant, brethren, of this mystery (lest you should be wise in your own conceits) that blindness in part has happened in Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles should come in.

26 And so all Israel should be saved, as it is written: There shall come out of Sion, he that shall deliver and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.

27 And this is to them my covenant: when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, indeed, they are enemies for your sake: but as touching the election, they are most dear for the sake of the fathers.

29 For the gifts and the calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as you also in times past did not believe God, but now have obtained mercy, through their unbelief:

31 So these also now have not believed, for your mercy, that they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded all in unbelief, that he may have mercy on all.

33 O the depth of the riches of the wisdom and of the knowledge of God! How incomprehensible are his judgments, and how unsearchable his ways!

34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? Or who hath been his counsellor?

35 Or who hath first given to him, and recompense shall be made him?

36 For of him, and by him, and in him, are all things: to him be glory for ever. Amen.

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26 And so all Israel should be saved, as it is written: There shall come out of Sion, he that shall deliver and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.

27 And this is to them my covenant: when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, indeed, they are enemies for your sake: but as touching the election, they are most dear for the sake of the fathers.

29 For the gifts and the calling of God are without repentance.<

23 posted on 08/08/2005 11:44:27 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: BulldogCatholic; bornacatholic
Are you for real-blanketing the antisemitism label on those that hold fast to tradition and dont subscribe to the notion that those that reject our Lord as savior are on the same footing as we are?

No blanketing at all. I think we're just observing that certain strains of traditionalism are quite contented in their antisemitism. To wit, those that trumpet the notorious forgeries called the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" despite the fact that everyone else has know they've been fake for about a century.

By the way, you should know that many of the folks at the Association of Hebrew Catholics and other similar organizations are the ones who have been most strident in criticizing this nonsense that Jews somehow don't need to convert.

35 posted on 08/08/2005 4:24:56 PM PDT by Claud
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To: BulldogCatholic
Communion in the hand?

This seems to follow the command of Christ to “Take this and eat” One takes with the hand.

Sure why not. Kneel? Never!

I don’t recall anyone kneeling at the last supper.

What is the basis for your objections, other than a (lower case) tradition from the middle ages?

79 posted on 08/09/2005 6:29:10 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Choose life!)
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