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To: Graves
I repeat, this was patristic material, not scholastic.

Forgive me, but I honestly can't remember the difference (if I remember right, doesn't patristic have to do with the early Church fathers?)

108 posted on 08/02/2005 3:33:14 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

"'I repeat, this was patristic material, not scholastic.'
Forgive me, but I honestly can't remember the difference (if I remember right, doesn't patristic have to do with the early Church fathers?)"

Scholastic = Reasoned thinking utilizing Greek philosophy of Aristotle or Plotinus. The first school men or scholastics were Anselm, Abelard, Thomas Aquinas, Duns Scotus.

Patristic = Teaching of the fathers of the Church. Even later eastern fathers (post A.D. 1054), such as St. Joseph of Optina, avoided scholastic thinking in favor of re-stating previous teaching already on the books. In other words, patristic thinking shows consistency rather than development.

So, a scholastic might come up with a logic for ordaining women or homosexuals. A patrilogist would instead find statements in the fathers, e.g. St. John of Damascus, in support of a position. In Orthodoxy, however, it is not possible to arrive at a new position. If a position is "new" it's automatically and without question a heresy.

Orthodoxy leaves the pervert very little room, if any, to advance his case. But as others have pointed out, an attempt is being made by factions such as Axios and by certain well entrenched individuals.

Remember, we are dealing with the demonic and nobody has ever accused the devil of being stupid. He is shown with wings to indicate his incredible intellectual speed. No individual, no denomination, and no jurisdiction is beyond his ability to attack it. Nevertheless, our Lord has promised that despite all of that, even the gates of hell(death) shall never prevail against the Church.


109 posted on 08/02/2005 4:04:08 PM PDT by Graves (Remember Esphigmenou - Orthodoxy or Death!)
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