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To: RnMomof7
I used "forced" years ago, with the explanation that I had absolutely no sensory "feeling" of being forced – I have no problem with it today. It was the only word I could come up with that explained what happened to this totally depraved, spiritually dead, me. Then the_doc, surely you remember him!, indirectly advised me to say “God changed my wants”. Either way, & I now say the latter, it was all of GOD, thank God.

As John Owen points out in "Regeneration", regeneration is a physical event; RSV Eph 1:19- ".. & what is the immeasurable greatness of his power in us who believe according to the working of his great might which he accomplished in Christ when he raised him from the dead ..."

I can not think of anything more physical than raising the dead. The analogy between regeneration & Christ being raised from the dead, even though only an analogy, is so glorious & profound!

970 posted on 08/11/2005 8:35:52 PM PDT by Dahlseide
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To: Dahlseide
I used "forced" years ago, with the explanation that I had absolutely no sensory "feeling" of being forced – I have no problem with it today. It was the only word I could come up with that explained what happened to this totally depraved, spiritually dead, me. Then the_doc, surely you remember him!, indirectly advised me to say “God changed my wants”. Either way, & I now say the latter, it was all of GOD, thank God. As John Owen points out in "Regeneration", regeneration is a physical event; RSV Eph 1:19- ".. & what is the immeasurable greatness of his power in us who believe according to the working of his great might which he accomplished in Christ when he raised him from the dead ..."
I can not think of anything more physical than raising the dead. The analogy between regeneration & Christ being raised from the dead, even though only an analogy, is so glorious & profound!

As you well know I am sure the Greek word for "draw ( as in "Unless the Father draw them") also can be be interpreted as "drag"

I never thought about "voluntary or forced " on the day of my salvation I was just so humbled in the presence of God my response was to fall on my knees. The next day when I considered the night before I thought it must have been predestined because I did not expect or even understand what happened.

I am also ok with the idea of being "dragged" . I can not understand how one could object to God desiring to save them and draw them and use them for His glory. What an honor !

971 posted on 08/12/2005 8:55:17 AM PDT by RnMomof7 (Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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