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To: HarleyD
"I am simply saying that any man or woman ... who has been granted the gift of faith by God ... can accept God's offer of salvation ... all within the scope of God's predestined will."

Thanks for the clarification. The only part that I seem to be confused by is that if God gave man a "gift of faith" wouldn't that mean man would accept God's offering of salvation since he has faith?


Such would appear to be a reasonable inference, ... however ...

I note that Paul says, in Romans 12:3, that "God has granted to every man the measure of faith" ...

... and that James makes a clear distinction between a living faith and a dead faith.
James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Thus, ... the answer is not not so clearly established for me.

949 posted on 08/09/2005 8:47:45 AM PDT by Quester (When in doubt ... trust God!)
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To: Quester
The faith talked about in Romans 12:3 is the faith God accords to believers:

Conversely, God does not give faith to everyone and Paul makes this contrast:

Your verses in James are consistent with Paul belief. James simply state that if there is no evidence of works in your life and your attitude is off base then you have to question your faith.

Paul states the same thing:

To me it’s clear that unbelievers do not have faith in God. Believers, OTOH are to constantly examine themselves to see if they are in the faith and walking with God's Holy Spirit.

950 posted on 08/09/2005 9:43:55 AM PDT by HarleyD
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