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To: RnMomof7; P-Marlowe; xzins
Would you say you know more than those men?

No. I would say, however, that the writers of the Greek reference works (TDNT, BDAG, and L&N), which are the standards, do know more about Greek than the editor's of Strongs.

As regards the issue of pride, well, I do struggle with that - but not here. I have a hard time seeing where pride even entered into my posts here.

352 posted on 08/03/2005 4:10:59 AM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: jude24

Please see #354 & #355

I would agree that the books cited, TDNT+ are more thorough and scholarly than Strongs.

It does not necessarily entail, however, that they knew more about Greek than Strong or the editors of Strongs. The only real way to discover that would be to put them to some kind of test.


357 posted on 08/03/2005 5:26:24 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: jude24
No. I would say, however, that the writers of the Greek reference works (TDNT, BDAG, and L&N), which are the standards, do know more about Greek than the editor's of Strongs.

So I guess you are not longer a 5 pointer huh? One down and 4 to go .

BTW Vines also notes that it is often used as Gentiles as opposed to Jews.

From a historic CALVINIST scholar

Verse 16. For God so loved the world,.... The Persic version reads "men": but not every man in the world is here meant, or all the individuals of human nature; for all are not the objects of God's special love, which is here designed, as appears from the instance and evidence of it, the gift of his Son: nor is Christ God's gift to every one; for to whomsoever he gives his Son, he gives all things freely with him; which is not the case of every man. Nor is human nature here intended, in opposition to, and distinction from, the angelic nature; for though God has showed a regard to fallen men, and not to fallen angels, and has provided a Saviour for the one, and not for the other; and Christ has assumed the nature of men, and not angels; yet not for the sake of all men, but the spiritual seed of Abraham; and besides, it will not be easily proved, that human nature is ever called the world: nor is the whole body of the chosen ones, as consisting of Jews and Gentiles, here designed; for though these are called the world, John 6:33; and are the objects of God's special love, and to them Christ is given, and they are brought to believe in him, and shall never perish, but shall be saved with an everlasting salvation; yet rather the Gentiles particularly, and God's elect among them, are meant; who are often called "the world," and "the whole world," and "the nations of the world," as distinct from the Jews; see Romans 11:12, compared with Matthew 6:32. The Jews had the same distinction we have now, the church and the world; the former they took to themselves, and the latter they gave to all the nations around: hence we often meet with this distinction, Israel, and the nations of the world; on those words, "'let them bring forth their witness,' that they may be justified, Isaiah 43:9 (say {b} the doctors) these are Israel; "or let them hear and say it is truth," these are 'the nations of the world.'" Gill

413 posted on 08/03/2005 9:24:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7 (Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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