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To: Frumanchu; xzins
It does NOT necessarily mean that He chose based on some pleasurable attribute of the person.

I don't think you will find a Weslyan who would disagree with that statement. Indeed no God respecting Weslyan would dare to state that there was any "attribute" within a person that inclined God to choose that person. It is not even the person himself, but what God foresaw IN that person. That being the person of Jesus Christ.

The dilemma that the Calvinist has is that if God chooses without regard to anything in that person and it is not because of foreseen faith, then God is either choosing arbitrarily, or he actually is a respecter of persons.

The Arminian/Weslyan believes that God is a respecter of the One who dwells within his elect and not of the elect themselves.

322 posted on 08/02/2005 8:00:08 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
It is not even the person himself, but what God foresaw IN that person. That being the person of Jesus Christ.

Exactly. God was IN CHRIST reconciling the world unto Himself.

326 posted on 08/02/2005 8:34:42 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: P-Marlowe; Frumanchu; nobdysfool; ksen; suzyjaruki; RnMomof7; HarleyD
The Arminian/Weslyan believes that God is a respecter of the One who dwells within his elect and not of the elect themselves.

That makes no sense.

The Arminian says that first the sinner must invite God to dwell within him, or at the very least make the choice to accept Him. Thus salvation depends upon man's choice, as well as God's offer.

It is not even the person himself, but what God foresaw IN that person. That being the person of Jesus Christ.

By this you are saying God foresees man's good choice to believe in Jesus Christ.

Ultimtely, the question remains why does one man invite/accept Christ into his life and the next man refuse Christ.

So for the Arminian, it always returns to his good choice to believe.

The decisions of God are never "arbitrary" to the Calvinist. But they are His alone, most especially regarding salvation.

330 posted on 08/02/2005 8:47:32 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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