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To: Graves; Hermann the Cherusker
Why the need to use two expressions instead of one?

As Hermann mentioned above, "Mater Dei" is in a non-liturgical prayer. The part of the "Ave Maria" after the Holy Name of Jesus was added by the Catholic Church sometime in the 2nd millenium.

83 posted on 08/03/2005 12:29:02 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: Pyro7480

"As Hermann mentioned above, "Mater Dei" is in a non-liturgical prayer. The part of the "Ave Maria" after the Holy Name of Jesus was added by the Catholic Church sometime in the 2nd millenium"

I admit it. I'm confused.

Here's the prayer from the Divine Liturgy in English:
"O Theotokos and Virgin, rejoice, O Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the Fruit of thy womb, for thou hast borne the Savior of our souls." And that's the prayer by St. Cyril that caused offense to Nestorius.
Note how similar it is to the "Ave Maria" in English:
"Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death."

The only differences are: 1) the first one is liturgical and not non-liturgical but the second one is non-liturgical, 2) there is some slight difference in the wording.

So if I get you correctly, the Orthodox liturgical prayer went through a transmutation of sorts sometime after A.D. 1054 and became the prayer now more familiar to Westerners as the "Hail Mary". Is that right? Might this have had something to do with the development of the Rosary maybe?


84 posted on 08/03/2005 12:48:13 PM PDT by Graves (Remember Esphigmenou - Orthodoxy or Death!)
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