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To: Graves
I look at a lot of Eastern jurisdictions that I myself do not recognize any more than you as One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic. I look at some that come close but don't quite measure up, and I look at some that don't even come close.

Graves, my boy, you have just revealed who you really are. You are not Orthodox, you are a PROTESTANT, for you have denied the church visible in favor of the church invisible--an old Protestant trick. Thus there is no real apostolic authority handed down by our Lord Jesus Christ but only a disembodied collection of doctrine. But how are we to know where this church invisible truly is. By your reasoning we cannot look toward any external authority. The result is that each one is left to rely on his own private judgment: each man his own pope! You are a high church and extremely liturgical Protestant but a Protestant none the less.

81 posted on 07/24/2005 7:24:43 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

"You are not Orthodox, you are a PROTESTANT, for you have denied the church visible in favor of the church invisible--an old Protestant trick."

I have said no more of the sad ecumenist present than did Pope St. Athanasius of Alexandria and St. Hilary of Poitiers in their own day. SS Athanasius & Hilary never denied the Orthodoxy of the Church visible, but only the Orthodoxy of certain visible "churches". "'They may have the churches, but we have the faith', said Saint Athanasius"(Source: http://www.popemichael.homestead.com/ENTHRONEMENT.HTML ).
"In these times St. Jerome could express his feelings with the sad exaggeration: 'The whole world groaned and was amazed to find itself Arian'" (Source: http://www.tanbooks.com/doct/doctors_church.htm).


83 posted on 07/24/2005 8:21:26 AM PDT by Graves (Remember Esphigmenou - Orthodoxy or Death!)
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