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To: kosta50

"The Orthodox Church is Catholic and Apostolic, and it is Eastern. How can there be "another" Eastern Catholic church? The same goes for the so-called "Greek-Catholic" church in Ukraine. It is not Greek, for sure. And the Greek Orthodox Church is fully Catholic, so what is a "Greek-Catholic" church?"

You know, I think it all started with the first Holy Roman Emperor at Aachen. There was already a Roman Emperor. And then Charlemagne came along and got the Pope of Rome to crown him Emperor of the Romans. What an absolute crock!


41 posted on 07/23/2005 9:51:47 AM PDT by Graves (Remember Esphigmenou - Orthodoxy or Death!)
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To: Graves; kosta50; gbcdoj
And the Greek Orthodox Church is fully Catholic

Is it?

If I went to Greece or Cyprus (or Serbia or Russia) and asked for the Catholic Church, to where would I be directed? Will anyone in the USA direct me to the Greek Church if I ask where I might find the local Catholic Church?

"Now the Church is called Catholic because it is throughout the world from one end of the earth to the other. And since the word Church is applied to different things ... the Creed states for the sake of security the article, 'And in One Holy Catholic Church'; that you may avoid their (the heretics') wretched services and ever remain in the Holy Catholic Church in which you were regenerated. And if you are staying in any city, do not ask simply where the Lord's house is (for the sects of the profane also attempt to call their own places houses of the Lord,), nor merely where the Church is, but where is the Catholic Church. (St. Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures)

"Under the apostles, you will say, no one was called Catholic. Granted! But, when, after the apostles, heresies had arisen and were attempting, under various names, to tear apart and divide the dove and the queen of God, did not the apostolic people require a special name to distinguish the unity of the people who were uncorrupted. ... Suppose this very day I entered a large city. When I had met Marcionites, Apollinarians, etc., who call themselves Christians, by what name should I know the congregation of my own people unless it were named Catholic? .... Christian is my name, but Catholic is my surname. The former gives me a name; the latter distinguishes me ... Wherefore our people, then named Catholic, are separated by this appellation from the heretical sects." (St. Pacian, AD 370)

"We must hold to the Christian religion and to communication in her Church which is Catholic, and which is called Catholic not only by her own members, but even by all her enemies. For, when heretics or the adherents of schisms talk about her, not among themselves but with strangers, willy-nilly [velint nolint] they call her nothing else but Catholic. For they will not be understood unless they distinguish her by this name which the whole world employs in her regard." (St. Augustine, The True Religion, 7.12, 390 AD)

"And at last, the very name of Catholic, which, not without reason, belongs to this Church alone, in the face of so many heretics, so much so that, although all heretics want to be called Catholic, when a stranger inquires where the Catholic Church meets, none of the heretics would dare to point out his own house or basilica." (St. Augustine, Against the Letter of Mani called `The Foundation', 4.5, 397 AD)

When did the Church change its name to Orthodox? Is it not the Catholic Church which holds the Orthodox Faith?

103 posted on 07/24/2005 2:28:24 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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