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To: Petrosius

" Since the faith proclaimed by the Latin version in no way contradicts the faith proclaimed at Nicea..."
That is the Latin view, not the Orthodox view. The Orthodox view is that a different Faith was composed by the Council of Toledo in 589. History shows that Rome resisted using the Spanish version of the Creed until forced to do so in 1014. So I go with the popes of Rome before and you go with the popes of after. I go with Tradition and you with novelty.


144 posted on 07/25/2005 1:37:56 PM PDT by Graves (Remember Esphigmenou - Orthodoxy or Death!)
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To: Graves
The Orthodox view is that a different Faith was composed by the Council of Toledo in 589.

A private judgment of the Greek bishops only and not an act of the entire Church.

History shows that Rome resisted using the Spanish version of the Creed until forced to do so in 1014. So I go with the popes of Rome before and you go with the popes of after. I go with Tradition and you with novelty.

The popes did not condemn Filioque before 1014. Pope Leo III approved its doctrine but only advised that the word be omitted from the recitation of the Creed.

145 posted on 07/25/2005 1:45:03 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Graves
I go with the popes of Rome before

Do you go with Pope St. Leo the Great?

Here begin the rules of the Catholic faith against all heresies, and especially indeed against the Priscillianists, which the bishops of Tarraco, Carthage, Lusitania, and Baetica have composed and with a command of Pope Leo of the City transmitted to Balconius, bishop of Gallicia. ...

The Spirit is also the Paraclete, who is himself neither the Father, nor the Son, but proceeding from the Father and the Son. Therefore the Father is unbegotten, the Son is begotten, the Paraclete is not begotten, but proceeding from the Father and the Son. (Creed of the Council of Toledo, 447 AD)


148 posted on 07/25/2005 1:53:19 PM PDT by gbcdoj (Without His assisting grace, the law is “the letter which killeth;” - Augustine.)
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