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To: gbcdoj
"The anathemas are missing..."
Anathemas are retained in the Rudder, and in the Synodicon.

...there are many additions."
Yes? Such as?

"1. It is not permitted to produce or write or compose any other creed except the one which was defined by the holy fathers who were gathered together in the holy Spirit at Nicaea."
By your logic, they anathematized themselves because the symbol of the Faith they issued is the Nicene-Constantinopleatin version. You are confusing creed with symbol. Strictly speaking, the "Creed" we recite is the Nicene-Constantinopleatin symbol of the Nicene Creed, creed being that which the Nicene fathers believed. That creed is not open to alteration. The filoque is an alteration of the Christian creed.
142 posted on 07/25/2005 1:22:22 PM PDT by Graves (Remember Esphigmenou - Orthodoxy or Death!)
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To: Graves
Anathemas are retained in the Rudder, and in the Synodicon.

But not in your liturgy.

the symbol of the Faith they issued is the Nicene-Constantinopleatin version

"They"? Where did Ephesus issue the new version of the Creed? The only one quoted in the Acts is the Creed of Nicaea.

creed being that which the Nicene fathers believed

Ah, I see. I thought you were upholding the old Orthodox position (i.e. the one defended by Mark of Ephesus) which was that it referred to the words themselves. Needless to say, since the filioque was believed by the Fathers at Nicaea and Constantinople, it is you who have departed from their creed, unless you want to claim, absurdly, that Sts. Athanasius, Gregory of Nyssa, Basil, etc. did not believe in the creeds which they assisted in framing.

146 posted on 07/25/2005 1:49:50 PM PDT by gbcdoj (Without His assisting grace, the law is “the letter which killeth;” - Augustine.)
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