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To: wallcrawlr
Baptism is not a "covenant" or "committment", it is a sacrament.

The Catechism defines what constitutes a valid baptism. Among other things, either a father's or a mother's consent is necessary, unless there is an exceptional circumstance. The consent is then a part of the sacrament and any tinkering with it, such as a male presenting himself as a "mother", or a female presenting herself as a "father", or there being two "mothers" consenting, or two "fathers", will invalidate it. It is very good that these people want the children in their custody baptised, and there is a way for them to do so validly: have a real mother or a real father take the sacramental part, and the partner be a witness to it, or maybe a godparent.

What I suspect is really happening is that the gay activists want to smuggle a recognition of their bogus "parenthood" through the back door.

15 posted on 07/15/2005 10:26:45 AM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex

"Among other things, either a father's or a mother's consent is necessary"

Is it either/or?

If one parent has to sneak around to the priest with the baby because the other parent opposes, should the priest confer the sacrament?

(Honest question; no ulterior motives.)


18 posted on 07/15/2005 10:31:48 AM PDT by dsc
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To: annalex

for clarity. I did say it was a sacrament.

maybe you missed that.


33 posted on 07/15/2005 10:58:32 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: annalex

Through the back door? Bad choice of words there.


35 posted on 07/15/2005 10:59:49 AM PDT by darkangel82
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