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An Unneeded Headache (Vatican document on admitting homosexual to the priesthood)
Catholic World News ^ | July 8, 2005 | Diogenes

Posted on 07/09/2005 3:52:02 AM PDT by maryz

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1 posted on 07/09/2005 3:52:03 AM PDT by maryz
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To: afraidfortherepublic; american colleen; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; BlackElk; Campion; Cheverus; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 07/09/2005 3:53:06 AM PDT by maryz
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To: maryz
A guy's a homo:


3 posted on 07/09/2005 4:31:39 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: maryz

Oh, fiddle!!!

WhereEVer will we GO to reCRUIT, dahling...?

How CAN we tell Ricky-poo he's OUT?


4 posted on 07/09/2005 4:34:11 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: snarks_when_bored

"Looks like somebody's got a case of the Mondays!"

One of the great movie lines of all time.


5 posted on 07/09/2005 5:37:02 AM PDT by Diago (http://www.freekatie.net/)
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To: maryz; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
Excellent! Much needed and long awaited. Next question - what to do with the active homosexual priests. Certain bishops have infiltrated their dioceses with these 'ministers'. Naturally, they will deny their leanings and defend their ministries. This should be interesting.

Thanks for the post, maryz!

6 posted on 07/09/2005 7:07:53 AM PDT by NYer ("Each person is meant to exist. Each person is God's own idea." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: snarks_when_bored

---if he nods and smiles in agreement when a co-worker says to him, "Looks like somebody's got a case of the Mondays!---

An "Office Space" fan! Did you know the military now refers to the rows of medals and other battle ribbons/theater citations of old ("fruit salad" ) as "flair?" Honest!

Milton Waddams


7 posted on 07/09/2005 7:33:08 AM PDT by Frank Sheed
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To: Diago

"We we have here is a failure to communicate!"
+(the late) Strother Martin, Cool Hand Luke


8 posted on 07/09/2005 7:37:44 AM PDT by Frank Sheed
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To: Frank Sheed; Diago

"WHAT we have here is a failure to communicate!"
+(the late) Strother Martin, Cool Hand Luke

Sorry for the misquote


9 posted on 07/09/2005 7:39:28 AM PDT by Frank Sheed
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To: maryz

Hoping the bishops listen!

**What d'you mean, "generate" controversy, your Grace? The controversy has been raging for years. The point of this document is to put an end to it -- as indeed it would, were most bishops disposed to be guided by its instructions.**


11 posted on 07/09/2005 8:35:54 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Frank Sheed; maryz; ninenot; Diago; NYer
My memory re-wrote the line, I regret to say. It should've read:

"Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays!"

But this gives me a chance to make a comment about the use of the word 'homo' in my earlier post. Some might regard it as pejorative, but I don't. Homosexual men regularly refer to themselves as 'queer', which, to my ears, sounds quite negative. On the other hand, I deplore the use of the word 'gay' as an adjective describing a homosexual; 'gay' has had its original meaning completely displaced by politically correct style mandarins. I wonder what young people think nowadays when they first hear about 'The Gay Nineties' (if they do) or notice that Nietzsche wrote a book entitled The Gay Science (if they do)?

In any case, my earlier post was offered as a small amusement at the slight (but good-natured) expense of a certain segment of humanity. If there ever comes a time when the offense police suppress all such amusements, humor will have breathed its last.

P.S. to Frank: that Cool Hand Luke line is a great one, indeed. Here's the absolutely precise rendering of it:

"What we have here...is failure...to communicate."

For a long time, I thought there was an 'a' before 'failure', but there isn't. Another great Strother Martin line reading...

12 posted on 07/09/2005 8:44:27 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: maryz
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13 posted on 07/09/2005 8:47:51 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Frank Sheed

I forgot to say thanks for that interesting fact about 'flair'. I hadn't heard that!


14 posted on 07/09/2005 8:48:44 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: maryz
As one bishop put it to me, the policy against ordaining homosexuals is already clear -- the only interesting question is, what do you mean by a "homosexual"?

The bishops point is nonsense and a direct attempt to cloud the issue. The document states that "homosexual men and men with homosexual tendencies are not fit to receive Holy Orders." Any conscious adult with an IQ greater than his foot size knows what that statement means.

15 posted on 07/09/2005 9:42:47 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: pgkdan

More post Vatican II wishy washy do whatever we please garbage. There is canon law in place since 1961 forbidding the ordination of homosexuals, the only problem is that homosexuals fit very nicely into the new order of things, liberal, open to woman ordination, the New Mass, leanings towards modernism and Protestanism. They will never be expelled and the church is in disgrace cause of their sins with payouts of $1B and counting here in the US to date


16 posted on 07/09/2005 9:48:51 AM PDT by BulldogCatholic
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To: ninenot

Sounds like the telling could be a job for Recta..... ummmm, Rembert.


17 posted on 07/09/2005 9:52:32 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: snarks_when_bored

"What we have here...is failure...to communicate."

I have only seen this movie about 20 times so I may be wrong. Is there not a fabulous play on the word "here" so that it sounds to the ear as "hee-ya"?

The scene with Strother Martin playing the horse auctioneer to Mattie Ross (Kim Darby) in "True Grit" is also great. The dialog of that movie is one of kind. It also delivers another great quote:

"That's bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
==Robert Duvall (Ned Pepper) to Rooster Cogburn (John Wayne).

The rejoinder by Rooster is doubly memorable.

And there is John Wayne's monologue about his wife and son while he is intoxicated. Ahhh!

Frank


18 posted on 07/09/2005 10:09:01 AM PDT by Frank Sheed
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To: pgkdan

"Cloud the issue..."

Most likely the quoted Cardinal Grace-with-Lace meant to spray a little perfume on the issue--plenty to spare near the hot-tub, you know...


19 posted on 07/09/2005 10:28:20 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BulldogCatholic

It's not a Canon Law.

It's a directive.

Given that, however, you are otherwise correct. They didn't earn the soubriquet "swish" because they have stiff backbones...


20 posted on 07/09/2005 10:29:44 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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